Thursday 16 December 2010

GOA SHOULD BE A PROGRESSIVE STATE by Yogesh Marathe (Goa), Dubai

I am Goan currently working in the Middle East. Came across this website a few days ago, saw some astonishing write ups on the website about Goa. What forced me to write this reply below was the NRP SAGRESS issue, hope this gets published in this website, proving that Niz Goenkar is a fair ground for people with different views.
About NRP Sagres, felt really bad about the kind of abuses thrown at the freedom fighters, don’t mind the politicians being bashed but it was a sorry sight to see the young generation making a mockery of the freedom fighters.
Most of the bloggers seem to be upset about being liberated against will, that’s an interesting fact noticed. I would love to know what there parents and elders would have to say as they might have seen the Portuguese rule.
Some say that the Indian government annexed Goa without opting for Goans views. If it had been the case than it I would have been difficult to imagine Goa as an independent entity in today’s world. Either it may have been a US base to keep a check on India or china, another possibility is that it may have even been used as a base for anti India activities. It may have been an impossible task to maintain the sovereignty of Goa had it been an independent state.
Most of the writers claim that the Portuguese era was the most magnificent chapter in the Goan history which I feel is highly objectionable. Yes, the Portuguese are to be noted for the development work they have done. I personally feel good about the last governor general Mr. Vassalo Silva. I duly note the developments undertaken during his tenure.
But most of the Portuguese period is known for its harshness and the calamity it laid on people. Not to forget the infamous Inquisition that is hotly debated issue even today.
To be frank, the Portuguese had a clear diktat for Goa. Their message for Goans was clear, make merry, cheap booze, cheap food but don’t get into the freedom demand which was the scene for almost 400 years of their rule in Goa. The Portuguese were merciless, ruthless administrators and their acts are well documented in history books not only by local historians but even by foreign travelers who visited Goa during that time.
As in the case of NRP Sagres, the abuses that were thrown at freedom fighters are totally uncalled for, it seems to prove that this people had committed a major mistake by fighting for the freedom cause. I would agree that it’s a big mess now as in terms of who can claim as freedom fighter (as new entries are received every year claming their fight for freedom). About the action of opposing the said ship’s visit, nobody would have raised an opposition if it would have been any other Portuguese ship but this ship is commemorating the 500 years of Afonso Albuquerque’s ruthless crusade, and what you expect to greet them with flowers and bands?
As in regard to colorful send off given to the ship by a handful of people by means of parading in the Vasco streets and waiving flags, one can clearly make out the real deal and vested interest of such thinking may be Portuguese passport (life long dream) I don’t have any personnel grudge against the so called Portugal supporting youth, but one can see that they have been well rewarded with freebies (check the snap with the youth proudly posing, it’s a bar)
Finally it’s very easy to blame the politicians about the mess, Goa is in today but aren’t we at fault for doing so. We get them elected every 5 years; the so called strong voices are the first people to pounce on the opportunity for free booze and food during the election campaigning of such politicians. No state or country is perfect; perfection comes with constant efforts by people like us. There’s no point in playing the blame game anymore, we sell the land to Outsiders, we oppose employment yielding projects in the state, the projects still manage to go ahead and who’s employed? The outsiders.
My final request is that please don’t abuse the Freedom fighters at least to those who are not alive to defend themselves. They didn’t fight for freedom with a motive of any personnel gains, irrespective of religion, caste. They fought for their motherland, our motherland – Goa.

48 comments:

  1. I can say Mr Marathe has written a very nicely this article. The language used is a clean and polite one. But I really beg to differ with you on some points. As you say a handful of people gave a farewell to NRP Sagres, no you are wrong here. They were in hundreds, And since from your name I presume that you are a bhatji and an educted one, could tell me what is the nonsensical meaning of the cleansing of the sea after the ship left. Could you tell me how many were the protesters? The welcome and farewell should have been given diplomatically by the Government which was not done, I am sure that is against every norm of diplomatic relations. Again why does India hold diplomatic ties with Portugal if they are not good? what has the British done to the freedom fighters of India? Still the British diplomats come and go amidst a red carpet welcome. I have still more to debate on but have to dash off for work my night shift.

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  2. Anonymous the VIII15 December 2010 at 19:20

    Mr. Yogesh Marathe,
    You just woke up and stumbled on this site. All these years you were fast asleep in Goa?
    Can you please find out why your so called Freedom fighters enrolled for all benefits for their generation and next were in Jail? What Freedom activity they conducted during Portuguese regime.
    Wake up fully. Realise that most of the actual Freedom Fighter have not registered themselves. The ones roaming the streets in Goa posing as freedom fighters are thieves and criminals who were in jail for crimes and getting benefits at Goan taxpayer's cost.
    Learn actual facts before blurting off.

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  3. Yogesh 1st and foremost thanks for writing up your views on Niz Goenkar. As mentioned by Royston , appreciate your polite kind language. For one I and most on this blog do not support the portuguese, however do you think life is better for the native goenkar today than during the portuguese times? I dont say it was the best then , but nowhere worse than what it is today, and these facts are proven by non other than our beloved parents and grand parents. In this modern times Imperialism's would definetely come to an end, and by any means the portuguese after 1961 would had to leave the shores of goa , but this does not mean that goans would have welcomed new colonisers like you mentioned. With regards to the actions of the freeom fighters on the visit of NRP Sagres, I am suprised that an intellegent modern personality supports their actions. The ship did not come to take over Goa again , rather it came on a friendly visit, the boycott by the goa goverment is a shame. Does India boycott the English subjects that visit India? India just hosted the common wealth games.What do you have to say about the purification rituals that were carried out by the freedom fighters after the ship sailed away? Do you not think this was uncalled for? If these freedom fighters respect India then they should respect Indias friends too , not insult Indias respected friends. Last I beg to differ , the people of khariawado had no vested intrests in organizing a grand farewell to the sailors. I cannot seem to understand how you come to such conclusions. These are my views and I have no further comments.

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  4. @ Mr Marathe - The so called freedom fighters have made a mockery of themselves. What with the cleansing of the sea. What about them wanting to change the portugese road names etc to Indian ones. Can anyone change history ??. Goa is rich in culture (which is fast fading away) due to Portugese influence. It used to be a proud thing to be a Goan, but not anymore. You talk to any old Goan folks and they will be nostalgic about the Portugese era.The Indian occupation of Goa has only brought with it misery, corruption etc which was unknown in Portugese times. And mind you we are not talking only catholics here, talk to any of the old Goan Hindu folk in Margao, they still feel so happy that they can speak portugese and talk so greatly of the bygone days.

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  5. Caetano Fernandes15 December 2010 at 23:13

    Mr Marathe let me tell you, the Hindus in 1510 welcomed and helped Afonso Albuquerque in Goa to get libetrated from Turkish Bijapur Muslim rule in Goa. Would there have been anything called ‘Goa’ if it was not Afonso Albuquerque Conquered it ??

    Goa being US Base was a Propaganda made by Indians before 1961.

    Goa as a base for anti India activities let me tell you less than 13 years after the Invasion of Goa by India all the colonies of Portugal attained their true freedom by becoming independent countries. Goans were never Anti-India.

    Freedom Fighters majority of them were Criminals during Portuguese era. They are shameless people who get free benefits from Goan Taxpayers. The Portuguese Government in Goa did have a record of these criminals committing mutinous crimes with Goan Citizens in the name of liberation.

    Inquisition is Distortion of Goan History made by VHP, RSS, BJP Etc. There were more merciless, ruthless things done in Goa like Sati, Untouchablity, Caste system etc.

    History books written by local historians are based on their imagination and creation and not Historical facts.

    Foreign travelers, who ?? Did they tell you they visited Goa ??

    Goa had a Independent entity for 450 Years even before the 1947 Union of India ever existed.

    I am 25 years old and YES my Grandfather,Grandmother, Father told me, we were better under Portuguese rule. It was Golden Period of Goa which will never come Back. Even Older Generation people in my village in Assonora – Bardez tell me that they were happy under the Portuguese Rule.

    Goa never was liberated it's a repeat colonization of Union of India and its expansion of boundaries. Terrorizing it's helpless neighbors by Looting and raping the women of its newly acquired colony of Goa.

    Viva Niz Goenkar

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  6. Dear Marathe... welcome on board the Niz Goenkar ship. I don't want to go back in the past as a number of commentators, including myself, have written about it. Yet for a better future we have to learn from the past in the present. Sadly, the present condition of Goa resembles that of the Dark Ages where might is right.
    The present rulers of Goa are not working for the benefit and welfare of the Goans. The present set of our ministers and MLAs see Goa through the prism of Delhi and Maharashtra.
    A just and fair ruler's first duty is to his subjects and not to the subjects of other states.
    When such injustice is done to the Goans in their own land by their rulers, then it is called tyranny. Goa is ruled by tyrants and dictators who think only about themselves, their families and their sycophants.
    As I had written earlier that most Goans in Goa are suffering from Stockohlm Syndrome, I don't want to touch on that issue again.
    As for the freedom fighters, I know most of them are fakes. A real freedom fighter will not take pension and seek privileges for his kith and kin. One of my uncles was one a leading voice of Azad Gomantak Dal in Bombay. There was an arrest warrant issued against him by the Portuguese and he escaped to Bombay by dressing as a woman. Although he name is mentioned in the roll of honour as a freedom fighter, he never ever applied even for the pension. In Bombay,where he died, he was living in a small one-room tenantment with his wife and daughter. He died poor.
    There is another case of Dr. Martins from Salvador do Mundo. He was imprisoned by the Portuguese along with his wife, Dr. Eslinda. When he contested the panchayat elections he did not even get more than 10 votes from his village. He educated his children in Marathi medium, and Sushrut (may his soul rest in peace, his only son who died last year of a heart attack) had a tough time to organise Dr.Martins 75th birthday felicitation. No one helped. Finally, the event was organised in T.B. Cunha hall by Umesh Mahambre (may his soul rest in peace) and Joseph Marquis. They brought out a souvenir and at the felicitation function, hardly 50-60 people were there despite giving wide publicity to the event in the local newspapers.
    I am citing these examples because the so-called people who are masquerading today as freedom fighters didn't fight for a cause. They are no different from the present rulers of Goa.They too are the crumbeaters and want reservations for their children in all professional colleges in Goa. What sacrifices have they made?
    Talking about sacrifices, I know only of Nirmala Sawant's father who was killed by the Portuguese. Today, Nirmala Sawant despite being dedicated Congress loyalist is in the wilderness.
    The Congress party instead of rewarding her kicked her butt and promoted Pandurang Gonvddo Madkaikar. What are the credentials of Madkaikar?
    Finally, as I have said earlier, we should absorb the good from the past for a better today and a best tomorrow.
    Can we do it? Are you there with us?

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  7. N.Fernandes-London16 December 2010 at 01:41

    To Yogesh Marathe ::::
    Firstly I must commend you for your well written article.You have dealt with it politely and with great sensitivity.
    I am a frequent contributor to comments here on Niz- Goenkar.
    I do not recollect seeing any comment from you before, so I would like to extend a warm welcome to you.

    You have stated many facts as plainly and easily comprehensible as possible.Well done
    However you will appreciate that some of the facts will be dissected, disputed or debated.

    I think the negative comments are directed towards the "Fake" Freedom Fighters.
    You too agree that a few of these have come aboard.
    I am, personally, not sure why the FF`s keep on barking over the past when they should be devoting their energies and focussing their minds towards the future.
    I scored many goals when I was in school playing football.I do not sit down and continue to discuss this acheivement.I have moved on to other acheivements and fulfilling other objectives.
    It seems like the current batch of FF`s seem to hark about the past(their personal ones) and so they also get reminded about the values of the past rulers they claim to have fought against.
    I cannot see Ghandhi ,the Father of the Indian Nation, sitting in simplicity by his spinning wheel glorifying "himself".This is what the current batch of FF`s are doing.
    I do not think the current generation care one iota about the FF`s.They live in a new Global era.
    Historically, nearly all, Rulers, regimes, Governments,Tyrants,ect have been party to injustices.The Portuguese were no different.Indian rulers of the past too were in a constant state of war with each other.The British and Portuguese managed to stabilise and bring a periodd of peace to these warring Indian factions.Surely you too will agree with these facts.They introduced "Forms of Government" that would be applicable for that period of History.
    Democracy is not perfect either.However it does give people a greater say in how they wish to be ruled.
    I am sure in due course, many Goans will be more highly educated and empowered, to sufficiently get rid of Corrupt Politicians and corrupt Governance.Currently there is still a greater amount of un-eduoated voters, who are misled.
    I do not think Goans disrespect the genunine Freedom Fighters.They are questioning the Fake ones.
    Equally many are now questioning what was the "COST" of the "Freedom", the Fighters fought for and acheived thus far.
    From my personal viewpoint....99% of all Goans of all castes & religions are dis-illusioned .However they are slowly learning, through education,mass media etc how to displace the Current Corrupt Regime.
    The future educated Generations will be the new FF`s.

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  8. Marathe,why the f..k..ing FF's are demanding increase in pension and other facilities if they are really freedom fighters.Why are they silence all the corruption taking place openly in Goa?For me they are State sponsor terrorists...includling that great mother fucker Ravindara Kalekar...who use to screw young girls from Karwar & Supa.

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  9. Yogesh Marathe is a RSS BJP Chamcha and Supporting Fake Freedom Fighters. He is Telling untruthful statements just like Indians did before 1961.



    There were False rumours spread by Indians that Goa was about to be a US Base also there were rumours about setting up NATO forces in Goa. So also there were rumours (in India, that is) about supersonic fighters being based at Dabolim. Infact Dabolim was a Civilian Airport built by Portuguese for Goans but the Truth today its under illegal occupation of the Indian Navy.

    The Portuguese never used Goan Land for Anti-Indian Activities and Goans were not Anti-Indians. Infact Indian Land was used by Terrorists coming from Indian Union to carry Anti-Goan Activities in Goa.

    http://nizgoenkar.blogspot.com/2010/12/chronology-of-terrorist-activity-by.html

    Goa,Damao,Diu was never part of the Indian Union. From 1947, the year of India's Independence, until 1955, New Delhi kept a Consul-General in Goa, which means that from the day India came into being as a nation, for the next eight years, she recognised that Goa and its dependencies were not "Indian territories.

    It was possible to maintain the sovereignty of Goa as an independent state like East Timor if not for “Operation Vijay” conducted by the armed forces of India.


    The Portuguese may have not been Perfect but were Better Administrators Compare to the Indian Rulers of Goa and the 40 Ali Baba Chors.

    About Freedom Fighter Yogesh Marathe should know many Freedom Fighters who fought for their motherland Goa like Gaitonde, Loyola and Quenim Etc migrated to Portugal after the 1961 Invasion of Goa.

    Some Fools who called themselves Freedom Fighters today can easily oppose NRP Sagres but they never talk about the RIVER PRINCESS on Candolim beach.


    Viva Goa.

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  10. I am 72 years old and my 37 year old son who is working in the US told me about this site and asked if what is written by Niz Goenkars of the Portugese rule was true. I told him that it is not only true but 200% correct.Portuguese laws were very good and Goan people that time were like brothres and sisters. Hindu, christians and muslims lived in harmony. No crime, no fights and a peaceful society.
    Now Goa is gone to the pigs and dogs. Dukor zhattiche kutrey Goem raj kartat. Pad podum ttankchem.

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  11. Mr Marathe can you pls explan how Ravi Naik, Babush, Digambar Kamat, Chorchill, Mauvin, Madkaikar and the others acquired so much wealth and properties all over Goa?
    Portugal didn't loot anything from Goa.Contrary they used to bring money from Portugal to support Goa and Goans.
    Goa's ministers now are not only robbing the government, but also robbing the poor people of their land, fields and houses.
    So which rule is better?

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  12. Yogesh Marathe, what you know about Goa Freedom Fighters,when we were fighting to make konkani as official language of Goa, the Thiefs,criminals Freedom Fighters term us as anti-nationals.Anti-Nationals are those who are fake freedom fighters,anti-nationals are those who tried to finish Goa by merging with Maharastra.Nagesh Karmali,Ravindra kalekar,Lawande,Sinari are thiefs & crimidor who have looted state coffers in the name of Freedom Fighters.I know one criminal who use to term himself as Freedom Fighter,his name Sudhir was indeed a great womeniser.

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  13. Yogesh Marathe, hats up to your polite article. But many parts of history has been fabricated to suite an individual cause. Take for example Britain and the USA invaded Iraq the last time under false pretence, stating Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, which was not true. The Indian forces too invaded Goa under false propaganda.
    How free are we Goans to function in our own motherland? Our co called democratic governments function against the will of the citizens. Goa is infested with criminals and corrupt politicians who use their Henchmen to silence any opposition. Where is the freedom when our Goan women are being attacked raped and murdered while travelling alone, while others are being mugged and robbed? Goa is being turned into slums by shanty towns sprouting all over the place. These slums harbour the worst criminals. I do not blame anyone for stating the older days were better. Goa needs a new breed of freedom fighters to get rid of the corrupt political bondage we are in.

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  14. Dear Marathe... You concluding sentence "They fought for their motherland, our motherland – Goa." in a nutshell sums up the unique identity of Goa and Goans. Goa is our motherland and we are still fighting to save our motherland from the imposters and tyrants who are ruling us.
    Those who are supporting the ghanttis were the same ones who had also supported for Goa's merger with Maharashtra. So why are these pro-Maharashtrian not migrating to Maharashtra and are still staying in Goa? Unfortunately, even if they go to Maharashtra, the Thackerays will ensure that they won't get a job there. The Thackerays now want a permit system for non-Maharashtrains wanting to settle in Bombay.And why only Goa should be free for all, that too when our state is so small?

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  15. Mr. Marathe I must congratulate you for your good surmon. You deserve an Oscar. Goans catholics were the first to fight for freedom inspite enjoying all the favours from the Portuguese.I do not say Hindus didn't. To start with the Pinto revolt. And later with different personalities. They received their eduction in Goa and later in Portugal and even occupied best of positions in the government and even the Portuguese parliament. Most notable among them is Mr. Francisco Luis Gomes.
    Mr. T.B. Cunha is the Father of Feedom Movement for Goa's freedom. He started freedom movement even before Ghandiji did. But I must say that they were not fighting for freedom with Union with India. Because politically India did not exist then. India became a reality only in 1947 and till today India is a nation in making, as all the states have different cultures,language etc.

    Mr. Marathe do you think these fake freedom fighters have liberated us? Or do you think the Indian army liberated us? Surely not the freedom fighters because we wouldn't require the Indian Army. If you think Indian Army liberated us than please read and answer to Adv. Antonio Lobo article.
    I also like to bring to your attention the war in 1971 when Indian Army marched into East Pakistan now Bangladesh. Why they did not hold that territory permanently? Was Bangladesh a liability to India with lots of Muslim population and the low lying areas prone to floods. You may say they went to liberate them.
    I agree with you. And the same should have been to Goa. Why then this did not happen. Why did Nehru (PM) did not give Goans opportunity to decide whether we want to be with India or be a separate State/Country? Economics you leave aside.

    Lastly let me tell you that most of the Goa's genuine freedom fighters regretted their actions. One who comes to my minde is Mr. Francisco Martins of Serula.(Saloi) when he was arrested by the Police and treated like a robber
    when he was trying to throw people who occupied his land. Please refer to Navhind Times archives.

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  16. I think Marathe lives in a world of dillusions. The Portuguese even returned the gold of the customers (Goans) which was deposited in Lisboa, under Banc Ultramarino Nacional. Everybody who showed the receipt got back their Gold. The Indians would never have returned what was looted from Goa and they will never return all that was looted from Goa now

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  17. Yogesh Marathe, you may have written a clean and polite article, but let me tell you the indians have invaded Goa and looted all the wealth of Goa and are still in the process of looting thanks to the FREEDOM FARTERS of Goa. Do not praise any freedom fighter be it Hindu, Christian or a Muslim. They are assholes to dump us into Indian Occupation and Naguesh Karmali is the leader of all these dirt bags

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  18. Mr.Yogesh Marathe,
    Please explain what do you mean by progressive state,for I am ignorant on this issue on a democratic forum.

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  19. Mr.Marathe can you give examples of leaders who are following true progressive ideology in goa, since liberation? DEV BOREM KORUM, JAI HO.

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  20. Mr. Marathe the roads in goa have they progressed for better, having better tarmac year after year, they have progressed with
    holes,holes holes, holes? Or has the budget allocation progressively dwindled?

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  21. The article has opened a worm of cans for Yogesh Marathe. Respectfully, Mr. Marathe, welcome to the Niz Goenkar site.
    I read with interest your whole article word by word including those comments below. The comments are enough for you to understand the feelings of the people. Yes, talking about freedom fighters, the present generation of FF's are fake. Consider their age today and calculate how young they were in 1961. Calculating the age of some of them this day, do you think that in 1961, were they not minors? These were FF's? Fake! Fake!
    Now let us discuss about Freedom and Liberation. I am well sure that Mr Marathe must be aware that the Portuguese Regime returned all the gold or instruments from their possession after Liberation. In any case, they were the best for Goa, very sincere. Considering the plunder and loot of Goa on this day, I wish they return back and take over the administration from the Challis Chors and bring back the golden days. No matter how strong may be the muscles of these chors, they have a system that works, cleanse and send criminals to the place they deserve.
    Look at the Portuguese buildings and other infrastructure left behind. Consider the present form of corruption and infrastructure built by this corrupt government. Nothing comparable in strength. Mr Marathe, we are yet to be liberated. Freedom for us is bonded. Our democracy is great but greater for the criminals, looters and that is one reason why fake FF's took advantage and are looting the coffers of Goa.

    The actual FF's are long gone, today's so called FF's are fake. Shame on these so called FF's who are dole eaters.

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  22. Anonymous the VIII16 December 2010 at 06:46

    Re-reading your post again, I find something queer. What I noticed is that you are being quite diplomatic, you are quite good at your English with the exception of knowing spellings of similar pronounced words (like ‘their’ & ‘there’).
    You presume all the bloggers are your juvenile generation who are devoid of first hand knowledge, and like you, fed with distorted history like the CD produced by the BJP.
    You seem to be aware of an US base that was to be established in Goa. But at the same time you want to put in people’s mind that the Portuguese rule was the harshest. Your sinister way of putting that Portuguese were merciless and ruthless administrators gives away your motives.
    Your other comments are mostly at laundering freedom fighters.
    May I ask: “ Are you a FAKE? A mercenary of the FAKE freedom Farters?”

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  23. Yogesh Marathe, welcome to the world of free, frank and fearless blog of the genuine Niz Goenkar.

    What were you thinking my friend, when you made your entry? Your choosing of those polite and cultured words of "fair ground for people with different views" were met with contempt and disdane from all quaters. It surprises me to think that your comments have hurt so much as to taunt even the sleepy dogs all corners of the globe. Be very careful when you choose your language against the Freedom Fighter lackeys. Do not loose heart and be on your guard the next time.

    Meanwhile, your sincerity was loud and clear to many.

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  24. @ Yogesh. I think you have someone dear to you who is enjoying all the benefits of FF without even going through the live of hardship that was faced by the true freedom fighters. Rest everything is being said by all the other commentators very precisely.

    I can sense your frustration removed on the poor fisher forks of Vasco who had the courage to organize such an eventful farewell for the Portuguese ship and its crew members. How can you claim that these people had gone for the sake of free bottle of champagne or some soft drinks given to the children? Do you think a free bottle or two would do great service for their hospitality? This has come from their heart and not for merely going to see them off. Is it not ethical to offer something to your guests who turns out at your doorstep? I may add here that Goans too have this same generosity which has come from our forefathers. In olden days people used to keep gallons and gallons (garafou) of drinks in their houses and if anyone turns to their place, the first thing we would offer is a bottle and a glass of feni (either cashew or coconut) whichever was preferable. These days we hardly see it because the whole concept of living is gone to the dogs due to high standard of living one has to adapt and self-respect is no where to be seen among our people.

    Lastly you have given the heading of your article as (Goa should be a progressive State) and instead of concentrating on the topic you take the side of FF, who are literally ruining the State and shoot at the Portuguese regime. Yogesh I think you should come out with little sense that prevails in your skull.

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  25. Goa is in a mess, it depends how you see it, in the eyes of the Politicians it's not a mess, it's an advantage, in the eyes of the non-Goans it's an oportunity, in the eyes of the true Goans it's a disgrace.

    "King Solomen had once to decide, to cut the child in two and distribute between two demanding mothers, the real mother said please don't cut the child, let her have the Child, let the child live."

    My dear Marathi, try to understand this if Salazar had to fight the Indian Army which were supported by UDSSR what would have remained of Goa and the Goans?. I'm not a fan of Salazar, he acted wisely like a very good Administrator, he let the Indians take over Goa temporarly, in this way Goa my brother was intakt and not a single Goan killed. (many Goans were killed in the hands of the Indians, but here is no solid proof)

    Let me quote this, at that time it was the Cold war between UDSSR and the USA, Portugal had just joined the NATO, Kennedy wouldn't like thier NATO partner fighting UDSSR indirectly. Salazar told Nehru, you may have the Land but you will never have his people, this is the reason we Goans have the birth right for the portuguese nationality. dont forget many indians with false certificate also took this advantage, one of them was the famous criminal of India.

    If there are any true FF, they should ask for independance from India, the UN will help, because the world knows due to UDSSR today Russia, India could add Goa as her State. After the death of Salazar, Portugal was on the verge of becomming a Communist state like Cuba, that's the reason why Maria Soares signed of Goa to the Indians.(Portugal wanted to become a puppet state of the UDSSR, but thank God this didn't happen)

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  26. GOA SHOULD BE A PROGRESSIVE STATE,By YOGESH MARATE
    words copied, Your heading and the contents of the article are two different things.In what way can we measure the progress of goa since liberation ?what is quantum on which we can measure progress?
    GOA should be is a wish.....
    IF WISHES WERE HORSES,
    BEGGARS WOULD RIDE.

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  27. @Albin, very well said. That was my initial doubt that Marathe was very sentimental about someone, someone called FF.However, Marathe has been very decent in putting his words and needs to be appreciated for his views. This blog has given many an opportunity to air their views no matter in many instances, we may not agree with each other.
    @Johnads, welcome again and again. You are like the Prodigal Son of this blog. I really appreciate your guts to stand tall and be with us though you have very extreme views at times and differ from everyone, extraordinarily.

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  28. Hello All comentors to this article,

    I very much doubt that Marathe is a Goan, or maybe he is somehow related to these so called freedom fighters. And does not understand the true meaning of the word freedom. For all you know maybe he is somewhere in Europe on a Portuguese passport. And lastly forgive him for he knows not what he is talking about.

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  29. Check the Video Below http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675038382_Indian-soldiers_liberation-of-Goa_end-of-Portuguese-rule_wrecked-houses It Shows the destruction of Goan houses during the Invasion of Goa by the Indian Union after the bombings. Unfortunately these bad events are never recounted. The Invaders (Indian Army) are hoisting Indian Flags everywhere in Goa Showing the World its a Liberation.

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  30. @Shankar, Yes I have checked the video on the above URL and saw the disaster caused by the indian animals in Goa and how forcibly Goa was annexed as if it was their father's property.

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  31. I too have watched the video from the URL provided by Shankar.
    From the faces of the inhabitants of Goans it appears that they are not at all happy with the presence of the Indian troops. The people who are parading with Indian flags on the pick-up are not Goans. The guy on the cycle is being forced to carry the Indian flag. There is no joy on the faces of all Goans who are shown in this clip.

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  32. Chandrakant Kankonkar17 December 2010 at 04:33

    I would like to ask Yogesh Marathe, what has the Freedom Farters done to Goa? Have they liberated it into an independent country? They have merely let india occupy it illegally by bullying. I remember the incident in my town where the Indian Soldiers were looting the houses of the Goans saying that Goans are their slaves now. I do not even think you were even born then.

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  33. @ shankar, the link you mentioned is not for free, one has to pay $3, is there a way to see it for free?

    @Trupti Nayak, Start over here, and you will see how Nehru fooled the Indians, which he always did, but can't fool the world, not with the digital media. (Kennedy once said, Nehru is like the Preacher who in day time preaches non-violence and in the nights is seen in the Bordell)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goa
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Goa

    Extract from the above Link "0n 18 December, even as Indian forces were rolling into Goa, a special emergency session of the United Nations Security Council was convened at the request of the Portuguese government. At the meeting, called to consider the Indian invasion of Portuguese territories in Goa, Daman and Diu, Adlai Stevenson, the US representative to the UN, criticized the Indian military action. He then submitted a draft resolution that called for a ceasefire, a withdrawal of all Indian forces from Goa, and the resumption of negotiations.[55] This resolution was co-sponsored by France, UK and Turkey, but failed after the Soviet Union, India’s long-time Cold War ally, exercised its veto.

    The New York Times of December 19, 1961 reporting the Western response to the Goa 's liberation stated: "Adlai E. Stevenson warned the Security Council early today that the United Nations was in danger of dying as the result of a Soviet veto killing a Western resolution to tend the Indian invasion of Goa. The resolution would have urged India to accept an immediate cease-fire and recall her invasion troops from Goa and two other Portuguese enclaves on the Indian coast. Moscow , however, hailed the invasion as a liberation drive and accused the United States of hypocrisy in its criticism of India 's military moves. Observers believed the Russians were trying to fan resentment against NATO, to which both Portugal and the United States belong." [56]

    Canadian political scientist AR Bandeira has argued that the sacrifice of Goa was an elaborate public relations stunt calculated to rally support for Portugal's wars in Africa.[32]

    Upon receiving news of the fall of Goa, the Portuguese government formally severed all diplomatic links with India and refused to recognize the incorporation of the seized territories into the Indian Republic. An offer of Portuguese citizenship was instead made to all Goan natives who wished to emigrate to Portugal than remain under Indian rule. This was amended in 2006 to include only those who had been born before 19 December 1961."

    We can still ask for Independance, which is the birth right of every individuall state who feel they are different from the main stream, it has happened before, we should not worry as Goa are preserving these FF for this day, I'm sure one day they will stand up against Delhi and ask for independance.

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  34. Mr Marathe To cote your start up "I am Goan currently working in the Middle East. Came across this website a few days ago, saw some astonishing write ups on the website about Goa. " Please concentrate on your Job U @#$%/?. We do not want your contribution nor your support . U @#$%/? -- hope to meet you in Dubai

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  35. FREINDS Correct me if I am wrong,the Portuguese ruled Goa Daman & Diu for 450 years, the British Ruled India for 200 - 250 years.i.e. the Portuguese never thaught to rule any other place other than Goa, although they could have easily done so. Where was Bharat for the first 200 years of Portuguese rule & where was Mr Marathe (Dhukor) from 1947 to 1961 ? Goa todat is a tourist state , I personaly feel people come to Goa Only because of its culture & of course its natural beauty.The culture left behind by the portuguese & not what is brought in by the Invasion of 1961. Viva Niz Goenkar

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  36. @ Yogesh. definately you have someone special. you have been very much polite & cautious in your article. I want to meet you in Dubai only to tell you to read all the articles in reply to yours and " Ek kotti ghe, tintun poilo m@%?t, ani teia kotten thujen nak buddoun Jiv Di" na tor I will take you to maktoom bridge & push you down. Idiot R you a Goan, I guess definitely not. tell me what infrastructure have come into existence post the so called liberation, All govt offices are in the buildings constructed by the Portuguese only to be occupied by the Ghattis like You (no Jobs for Goans), even the same drainage is being used in the capital city of Panjim. How come you thought to post an article like this? Why R U working in Dubai. Why can, U work for a living in Goa Itself, R U getting these benefits of FF? I wish & pray I know you.

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  37. As this article proceed forward with comments, Goa Liberation Day is fast approaching. It will be wise for every Goan to look behind and see what the Portuguese left for us, look forward and see what our Liberators has done. Goa is in a mess today, from garbage to red tapism. Goan politicos got the FREEDOM to LOOT.

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  38. Albin

    I got this Video from here

    If you have a Facebook A/C Join this Group
    Cultura Portuguesa da India

    http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=133088186701834


    You will find lot of Videos and Color Photos of Portuguesa Goa here for free.


    Try to Click this Link

    http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675038382_Indian-soldiers_liberation-of-Goa_end-of-Portuguese-rule_wrecked-houses

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  39. Mr. Marathe must be hybernating in dukrachem kond.

    Freinds as Dalia wrote "It will be wise for every Goan to look behind and see what the Portuguese left for us, look forward and see what our Liberators has done."

    We can also analyse what our Liberators has done foe Goans from 1961 till date .

    "Dukor zhattiche kutrey Goem raj kartat" with the support of people like Mr Marathe.

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  40. N. Fernandes-London18 December 2010 at 10:54

    To Buyarantlo Monis & others :::
    Please correct me if I am wrong or mis-guided.
    This is what I think the Tru & Fake Freedom Fighters gave us....

    Corrupt Government
    Pot holed roads
    intermittent electrical supply
    Water shortages
    Garbage all over
    Jobs you have to buy
    Very Corrupt and unjust Police
    Never ending Court cases
    Purchasing a place for your child in schools
    Short term Bridges
    Dirty Railway stations
    A new doctrine "HAFTA"
    A sex industry
    A drug Industry
    Pollution
    Migrant thieves,burglars,pick pockets
    Ghanti Nagars
    Theft from Churches & Temples
    Lamanis
    Land grabbing
    Paedophilles
    No decent jobs
    Family Political dynasties
    Criminal & corrupt Politicians
    Fragile Political Coalitions
    Rapes & murders
    Ratol Tubes!!!
    Corrupt Judges
    Corrupt Panchayats
    well I am sure others will add their own.
    SO WELCOME TO A LIBERATED GOA, COURTESY OF FREEDOM FIGHTERS.

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  41. @ Trupti Nayak.... if you are really interested in doing research on Porguguese Goa, then Goa university is not the right place. The history that is taught there is from the Indian point of view. Read E.H. Carr's book titled "What is history" to get an understanding of what I am trying to say.
    Although Dr. Pratima Kamat (I think she is a Reader now at Goa University's History dept)tries to do a fair job on Portuguese Goan history, the rest of the professors there do not know much.
    When you are doing a research, don't wear blinkers, have a broad perspective and you will realise that Goa was indeed not "liberated" which is being taught in Goan schools, but is occupied by India. Goa was invaded by Indian forces and forcibly annexed by India.
    If you need more help, you are welcome to contact me at bebdogoenkar@yahoo.com

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  42. N.Fernandes-London19 December 2010 at 01:54

    To- day 19th. December 2010 is Goa Liberation day.It could als be refered to Freedom Fighters Day.
    Having read all the comments here I am wondering where are, the suporters of Freedom Fighters and FF themselves,gone or sleeping.I am sure they would like to take up a challenge, putting their side & Comments of their story here.
    There seem to be more people unhappy with the Liberation of Goa and the FF`s than support it /them.
    I am also sure this would be reflected in an opinion poll.
    So I can safely summarise that Liberation and the acts of Freedom Fighters was not worth it.They shed their blood, for Fake freedom Fighters to take the honour, and replaced the Portuguese rulers with a bunch of selfish uneducated crooks, criminals & goondas to Rule Goa.

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  43. @ N. Fernandes
    You forget the most important thing, "Mosquito Breeding to reduce Goans population", the Goa Goverment first built roads, then cut 50cm of the road on both sides, in the name of drainage, these so called drainage ist a pot-hole for daily rubish and for stagnated water.

    @ Shankar
    Thanks for the link, now I can too join my brothers as a digital soldier to fight foreign invasion in Goa.

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  44. N.Fernandes-London19 December 2010 at 04:25

    Hi Albin:::Yes we can put your suggestion under..
    Germ warfare
    Virus infections (not-computer)!!
    Poor sanitation
    Spitting on the streets (Paan)
    Dysfunctional air conditioned and sulabh toilets
    Over-burdened airport
    Failed liberation of "RIVER PRINCESS"
    Increase in Road /traffic accidents.
    Stray dog menace
    Dengue fever
    Aids epidemic and venereal diseases
    Excessive breeding by migrants and ghantis.
    More accquitals than convictions
    Father & son drug empires.
    Supari killings

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  45. Nisha Pednekar said... I have full faith in Sir Menino, who taught me good discipline as his student of Computers. I have read all the articles by Sir Menino and now I am hundred percent sure that what he has written is right and correct. I would rather believe in Sir Menino than the history of Goa taught to us in the schools and universities. There has to be a lot of truth in his writings. Though I was not even born that time, my father told me that every word on NIZ GOENKAR site concerning the Portuguese rule and Portuguese goodness is correct and upto mark. Now I believe what every commentator has to say here on this site. Sir Menino is my model and idol, as I see how selflessly he has dedicated himself to the cause of Goa. I will always pray for Sir Menino in my prayers and on our special Poojas. Shortly we are holding a Satya Narayan Pooja in our house and my special prayers will be for Sir Menino and NIZ GOENKAR to come up - your student Nisha

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  46. Why do your freedom fighters only come out of their caves to attack the Portuguses even after they already left 50 YEARS AGO????? Yet they remain silent with the destruction and looting of Goa???? (The destruction done to Goa in the last 50 years could not even be done by 450 years of Portuguese.) The reason they remain silent is because they enjoy the 'free' money they get, like beggers, they dare no speak up, in-case that money is taken away from them!!! That's why!!! Please don't fool us, if you have been fooled!!!!

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  47. @Marathe
    Goa was liberated from the frying pan and dumped into the fire. And now in front of our eyes we can see Goa turning into ashes. Wish yours so called freedom fighters, could turn it into a progressive state.

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  48. These are the type of people like Yogesh Marathe that I hate. Yogesh Marathe is so foolish, and whatever he has written is worst rubbish of the year. He has completely changed the History of Goa. About freedom fighters Yogesh can ask Naguesh Karmali and his rotten gang of rubbish freedom fighters who were originally thieves in Goa including Karmali to stop taking payment if they have done something out of love for Goa. I even remember two so called freedom fighters had committed theft in our house

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