I had decided not to write anything in defence of my article but again a detailed rebut By Mr. Fernandes (London) against me meant I needed to reply to him.
About the NRP Sagres issue, I would kindly note that if the so called mission of the ship was to celebrate 500 years of historic Voyage and discovery of a sea and trade route to India via the Cape of Good Hope than why it is being celebrated in 2010 when the actual year should have been 1998, considering the fact that the Vasco Da Gama landed in Calicut on 20 May 1998. Now as far as I know the ship has been at sea for last 18 months so no claims can be made that it started its voyage in 1998. so the motive as the gentleman wants to know is clear, the ship was indeed commemorating the crusaders visit. Your comments that the ship was on a goodwill visit is truly contradicting considering the facts above. About your claims questioning the motive of the freedom fighters, it’s obvious for them to feel disgusted in welcoming a Portuguese ship with a hidden agenda as mentioned above. Finally everybody has a right of expression so both the warring fractions did express themselves by either opposing or supporting the ship arrival.
Another gem from the gentleman is that the Portuguese arrival was for trade purpose and not for colonization. “What a misguided notion to say the least”. The good thing is that you finally agreed that the Portuguese were Colonizers. During the sixteenth century there was a major competition between Spanish, Dutch, British and the Portuguese which led to the discovery & colonization of new lands. The discovery of trade route to India too was a part of this Imperialism.
I saw many contradictory statements in reply to my claim about anti liberation articles in goan newspaper. Some say they have read articles and some say that the goan press is being censored and hence no such articles have been published. Lets agree to one fact and than argue the same. Do you think a average goan is concerned about liberation and Portuguese, it’s only a handful of people who have immensely benefited from the Portuguese rule and are missing the privileges and thus jump at every opportunity of abusing India.
Coming to the most important part of your rebut Mr. Fernandes is your attempt to draw levels between your version of “Goa invasion” with that of Kashmir and north eastern state. What a pity! You know the biggest advantage of being an Indian citizen (if you are still one) is that you have a free hand on freedom of speech. Any body comes in and runs his mouth, runs wild and draws lines with different issues not concerning one another even by the fairest means. Since you have raised the question of Kashmir and other north eastern states. I would like to bring to your notice that this states have been on constant radar of violence because of special interest by our neighbors. There are some anti Indian sentiments that do not want to see India as a strong union and your attempt to highlight the so called cruelty by Indian soldiers, is an encouragement to them, what do you expect when you are being stone pelted by a brain washed crowd, they are being headed by leaders who are holidaying in some European nation, their children studying in prestigious university. Please don’t try to compare these totally polar issues together.
Your attempt to support the Portuguese destruction makes you fall flat Mr. Fernandes. On one hand you say that the Portuguese considered Goa as their home and an off shore province. If that was the case than why the destruction? I would like to thank you for not claiming that the said destruction was caused by the Indian soldiers. The Portuguese had clear orders to destroy Goa if not defended. Bitter but yes that is a fact. You write in defence of Portuguese that destruction is a part of war, if this is the case than the same thumb rule can be applied to the Indian army. About the so called robbery and loot by Indian soldiers (very sure, propagated by some Portuguese supporter) I can provide you with references about how a number of “Goan Pedro’s” became rich overnight and the amount of copper looted from Mormugoa port on the eve of Liberation. And mind you they were not Indian soldiers but goans themselves.
About the concern for goa, not even in my distant thinking I have though that goans living abroad are not concerned about goa or have no right to express them. But the fact of matter is that their concern or right to expression is only limited at cursing the politicians, freedom fighters and the so called “ghantis”. Have you ever thought what can be done to change this scenario or even attempted to act against the issues faced by Goa today, writing tons of papers and abusing is an easy way out which no one cares. You may come up with an attack on me saying that even am doing the same thing but at least I don’t think in a negative manner the way you people do. I do dream about a Prosperous Goa, I know it’s difficult to imagine the same but not impossible at all.
Mr. Fernandes tried to make a mockery of my “right to information” solution in previous article. It was expected from a person like him but to his information this particular gesture by the Governor (as reported by you) may prove to be a painful one considering that he has been summoned to appear in person before Goa State Information Commission on Jan 04. Let’s hope that there would be a landmark judgment in this case.
Mr. Fernandes, you love for the Portuguese is truly to be adored, you have attempted to mention almost every incident in the world history right from Iraq’s attack on Kuwait, Kashmir, north eastern states trying to link them with Goan Liberation, it seems that you have been immensely saddened by the Portuguese departure from Goa which is inevitably highlighted in your every comment, sad but true that you may have to live with the bitter fact that even Portugal has accepted Goa as an integral part of the Indian union way back in 1974 and that you have been shouting from your house top for a lost cause. I would appreciate if you could come up with some advisory comments on how to solve the current issues faced by goa and your ideas for maintaining the Goan Identity. Being a regular contributor you have been to this forum one may expect a good deed like one mentioned above. Crying about the good old days is not helping you idea of maintaining the goan identity. Goa is a part of the Indian Union; we are celebrating 50 years of Liberation and are facing many issues that include the identity crisis, solution if any: you are welcome! Don’t be like the person who teaches swimming by standing on the river bank.
Many people in rebut to my article have termed me as a BJP/RSS chamcha. The actual problem lies in the fact that the mindset of the people is polarized to such an extent that you either support their views or are against them, and those against them are termed as right wingers which is utter in bad taste. You all talk about the intrusion of the so called “Ghanttis” In Goa, don’t you people think that we in a way have invited them, let’s see how many Goans find interest in working as Labours, selling vegetables and many other blue collar jobs, even the people of Khariwaddo whom you all are so proud of rely on labours from Orissa & Bihar to work on their trawlers. A person even pointed out that Goans are less priotized at jobs , yes it’s a fact and that’s not because thy are goans but than if appointed they need to have a holiday almost every 10 days stating reasons such as feast, Jatra, relatives etc.
The issue of so called Ghanttis is not only limited to Goa, every developing state faces the same problem, and Goa is not an exception to it, but I have to agree that they also are being utilized as a Vote bank by the current crop of politicians. Now many people will come out and abuse me of being supportive of the so called “Ghanttis”. But let them answer me for the facts mentioned above.
Finally just to reiterate my humble request to all people on this forum is that No State or Nation is perfect, we the people need to make it. I suppose with the current musical chair in current government one may find elections being announced shortly and if so lets unite and elect a new brood of young people who are concerned about Goa and Goans.
Last but not the least here’s wishing you all a Very Happy New year. We all may differ in opinions and views but at the same time we all have a comman dream; that to see Goa as a Progressive State.
Yogesh Marathe, You are right to have said, and I quote.
ReplyDelete"The actual problem lies in the fact that the mindset of the people is polarized to such an extent that you either support their views or are against them, and those against them are termed as right wingers which is utter in bad taste." Unquote.
The reader on this blog are 99.9% niz goenkars and the rest are right wingers or Ghanttis.
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ReplyDelete@Marathi, Please sir don't consider the act of Nehru's India as Liberation, it's Invasion, Nehru lost face to the world, Prior to the invasion he Nehru was friend of the World, specially America.
Post Invasion Nehru was hated by the world, Specially by Kennedy. (His words to nehru were, day time preacher / Night time Bordell Visitor.
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/3208902/Hulton-Archive
I see you've a hatred towards Portugal, dear Marathi they were White, the Indians have the same colour like ours, that dosen't give them the rights to Rape, rob or rule over us.
We were forced to join the union, through lies and invasion. You can alter History to the people who can't read and write, but marathi, we live in a digital world, we're digital / cyber soldiers of our time, we can't lie, our weapon is the net and Ammunition is our time and knowlege.
Please don't waste our time by torturing history, that the portuguses wanted to destroy Goa, they did destroy the Bridges to stop the invasion.
I don't want to curse you, you will rot like nehru or still worse get punished like gandhi. (Jaisi karni vaisi barni) (you reap what you sow) many died while dividing India, through bullets and sword, if you give thousands, directly or indirectly you may get one, Gandhi got one. It's called the judgement day.
When you say Goans robed while getting invaded, so what we robed what is ours, when the invaders robed they robed what belongs to the Goans and to the portuguese.
Asshole Marathi, you are a sick man, May I say sir, Salazar gave oders to proctect Goa to the last man,(When he ment last man, he ment soldiers and not civilians) Governer Vassela did not carry out the orders as he loved Goa the most, defending means killing and Vassela had no men-power nor ammunition to defend Goa. Portuguese were peace loving people you are a rat to prove vice-versa.
This information is for the rat's that live's and surround Goa. When china liberated the people of Arunachal Pradesh / a part of Kashmir from the clutches of India, the world kept quiet as India herself was a invader, and nobody helps invaders.
An extract from http://nizgoenkar.blogspot.com/2010/12/goa-should-be-progressive-state-part-3.html
But Jawahar Lal Nehru couldn't improve India's relations with Pakistan and China. The Kashmir issue proved a stumbling block in reaching an accord with Pakistan, and the border dispute prevented a resolution with China. The Chinese invasion in 1962, which Nehru failed to anticipate, came as a great blow to him and probably hastened his death. Jawaharlal Nehru died of a heart attack on May 27, 1964.
Some beautifull photos, see link
ReplyDeletehttp://goankrazy.blogspot.com/2010/11/nrp-sagres-portugals-tallest-navy-ship.html
Great Job Albin,
ReplyDeleteKeep it up. But bad for people like you that you may have to live with the fact that Goa is a part of the Indian union. If you are not able to digest the fact than you may shift your base to Portugal. you give references about President Kennedy , Americans have always wanted to keep Indian at bay, they have tried it even when we became a nuclear power so don’t be bothered about what they say. And what a pity in you saying that we robed whatever was ours! Good justification seems that are in true love with the Portuguese, good for you, you can shown them your defense on this blog; your dream of Portuguese passport may come true.
And least spell my name correctly, IELTS is a must for European visa!
Yogesh Marathe
Hey Yogesh, what albin has written is absolutely right. Looks like you have just come out of eggshell and trying to divert the attention from the real facts. You and your F....ing India. You fellows all bhats are RSS b...t..ds out to destroy Goa. You people are bullies dancing to the tunes of the bully India
ReplyDeleteYes indeed we were told lies by the Invaders and even the freedom farters did not know the reality behind the invasion. I think this idiot Yogesh Marathe came down after invasion to Goa and have settled so he tries to justify the invasion. Just check the UN resolutions on Goa you idiot and then come back to write something. Do not create your own history.
ReplyDeleteFor sure this Marathe is a "makadd". He is using the Indian history to credit the invasion. We know very well that we a very small state with nothing can never evict the bigger and nuclear bully India from Goa. Since you are a pro Indian you will bully us the Goans. Somebody should push you from the Al Maktoum bridge.
ReplyDeleteYogesh Marathe, your name itself suggests us that you are an anti Goan personnel hired by the RSS to distract the Goans away from truth. Your history is however amusing and like a joke that makes me laugh out loud. You are a breed of vipers along with the freedom farters of Goa like Naguesh Karmali and his gang
ReplyDeleteThe author is a member of the communal BJP. Looks like Parrikar and his group of BJP gave Marathe the charge of changing history of Goa to suit to his indian citizenship Well we the normal Hindus know what BJP is and what you all bhats are. Do not try to change our minds concerning the Indian invasion of Goa and what someone rightly called them the freedom farters. BJP and people like Marathe have destroyed our communal harmony that existed during the Portuguese rule.
ReplyDeleteNiz Goenkars, just ignore this Yogesh Marathe, he is enjoying the attention we give, an attention he does not deserve. He comments about English written by others. He should check his own posts if his knowledge of English is correct; as I had commented last. To me, he's a Maharashtrian.
ReplyDeleteTo Yogesh Marathe|:::Before I respond to your article,which I will do in due course,I would highly recomend you refer to a Dictionary for the meaning "CIRCUM NAVIGATION".
ReplyDeleteI personally doubt , that you have your own version of a Dictionary.
In your original article, you have clearly stated the word "MOTIVE".Once again I recomend you refer to a Dictionary for this word.What I really think you should have been saying is "SYMBOLISM".
I also recomend you do not associate politics and invasions which took place 500 years ago with modern day Politics.Most countries 500 years ago were under the rule of Kings, Queens and Emperors.India was not different.It has had a fair share of Kings,Queens and Emperors.Perhaps you might want to re-visit you World and Indian History Books.
Many symbols of Colonisation still exist in India.Both British and Portuguese.I would be interested in your views on these symbols and any motive/s they continue to have
The Taj Mahal is a Mughal symbol of love of the Muslim Invaders of that period.What motive does that carry in Hindu India?Perhaps your Freedom Fighters might also consider this as "A MUSLIM INVASION OF HINDU INDIA."
The problem than many readers and commentators here on Niz- Goenkar have is that the "Freedom Fighters"...the "bloody fakes" that you support to an exytent, have taken a" Molehill and made it into a mountain.
I doubt much of you article is edible or digestable in modern day India or Goa.
Rest assured I will respond to your article in due course.
I also wish to kindly inform you and a few of you kindred spirits like Johnads /James d`silva, that I hold dual Nationality.
Regardless of any of your views on Nationality...I was born a Goan and will surely die a Goan.I am proud to be a Goan.Neither you nor Johnads or James d`silva will ever be able to change that with any beautiful words you command.
Dear Yogesh,
ReplyDeleteIf your servant [ghatti] starts staying in your house day in and day out along with his family and starts conducting their habitual activities like splitting, orificing, etc anywhere in your house or surrounding, What will you do???
I surely like to know your comment on that.
GOA is our house and i definitely will not like any one doing that in my house.
To Johnads:::your quote..."The reader on this blog are 99.9% niz goenkars and the rest are right wingers or Ghanttis"
ReplyDeleteDoes this prove something to you or does it tell you something?
Now like Yogesh, who has used inappropriate words to define his beliefs....I am sure you mean, that it is the "COMMENTATORS" who are 99% Niz Goenkars.
I am most definite or almost sure,that you cannot read the mindset of a "READER" , unless you possess extra sensory powers.
Just for you kind information...there is a big difference between a "READER " and a "Commentator".
@yogesh, you are surely a ghatti yourself. Your statement “A person even pointed out that Goans are less priotized at jobs , yes it’s a fact and that’s not because thy are goans but than if appointed they need to have a holiday almost every 10 days stating reasons such as feast, Jatra, relatives etc.”
ReplyDeleteYou mean to say ghattis working in Goa does not go to feasts, jatras or they are lawaris [without any families]. On the contrary a ghatti is granted/takes more number of leaves than a goan labour. A ghatti is granted a minimum of 10 days of leave once in three months so that he can visit his native place apart from other reason like not well, license job, ration card job, etc. I can surely tell you that with confidence because I myself is working in a position of Executive Engineering in one of the private company at Industrial estate in goa and I have seen the behavior of the people working [Goans and Ghatti also]. I once again state that goans will only be preferred, provided no gaunwala of theirs is available for the respective job.
Hi Swapnesh::: I agree with you.
ReplyDeleteThere are some people that just do not differentiate between a "Field Mouse" and a "GUTTER RAT".
@Marathi "Got you" sorry for the harsh words that I used against you, they were just due to your ignorance. The word and name marathi is for the language that you may be speaking.
ReplyDeleteBy the way all Goans are Portuguese, it's our birth right, and nobody is refusing our right, "not that I know of!!" "not even the european union nor Delhi, The OCI was made so that we could come and go when and how we please"
The portuguese made us, no matter what religion we practiced. We're a product of them. Our culture is destroyed by the Indians.
Many Goans are proud to be related to Portugal, many are reluctend to be related to India.
Bandorkar the Gaon traitor, after the invasion brought a lot of Indian force as manpower. this idiot whose statue should be removed, (and one day it will be). Didn't know that all our paper work (Lingua Franca)was in portuguese. Now tell me was this culture not destroyed.
I can understand you, if you or your parents came through Traitor Bandorkar and settled in Goa. In this case your love for India will be more and less for Goa where you are now laying your eggs.
Only a Goan will have the love for portugal and it's culture, it's 450 yr's of making and 50 yr's of destruction and you I believe is a part of it.
Let's go back in time, let's forget the more than 2000 yr's of our history, your nuthead won't understand it, as this 500 yr's are difficult for you to swallow.
It's 1490 the year of the Lord. "Adilshah is ruling Goa, many are converted to Mohamadism "Islam", take this as a blessing in disguise, if not for the portuguese the whole of Asia would have this religion, If you are a muslim I do understand you, because it's due to them Islamaphobio was terminated in India, only those who were converted remained or were converted back to Hinduism or became Christians, so called followers of christ.
An extract from http://www.indialine.com/travel/goa/history.html
The first kingdom that ruled Goa belonged to the Bhoja dynasty who formed a part of the Mauryan Empire. Later other dynasties like Silahara Dynasty, Kadamba Dynasty, and finally Hoysalas also ruled Goa from 1022 to 1342 A.D. ==> In 1508, Adil Shah allowed Muslim immigrants from Vijaynagar ports of Honvar and Bhatkal, Naites to settle down at Ela. >>>settlement in Goa did not go very well with the Hindu population. One of the prominent Hindu leaders, Mhall Pai, the Sardessai of Verna, together with the Vijaynagar Admiral, Timmaya invited the Portuguese to come and take over the control of Goa.
This was the invitation that brought the Portuguese Admiral, Afonso Albuquerque to the port of Goa and marked the beginning of the long Portuguese rule in Goa. ==> When Alfonso Albuquerque received an invitation to conquer Goa, he was on his way to take on the Egyptians in the Persian Gulf. However, Thimmaya managed to convince him that he should head towards Goa instead. Alfonso took his advice and proceeded to conquer Goa. In the absence of Adil Shah, ==> Alfonso was very liberal with the locals but the scene was vastly different this time round. The Muslims, who had been responsible for his defeat against Adil Shah lost their lives in large numbers. Also, a large mosque built by Adil Shah was demolished and in its place Se Cathedral was built to commemorate the day when Goa was captured by the Portuguese. It was St Catherine's Day and hence the church built was named after her. Albuquerque strengthened the Indian trade with Europe, Gulf and Africa. He also saw to it that his dominance over Ormuz was complete since it was vital for his unrestricted trade activities between Red Sea and India. Before ==> The Goa of post independence exudes a remarkable blend of the Portuguese and the native culture. Tourism soon took over and western tourists began to frequent Goa in large numbers. In the 1987, Goa was declared a state and today, it is one of the prime cultural and tourists centre of India.
Mr. Marathe
ReplyDeleteIts a fact that sagres is come and gone
lot of water has flown under the mandovi river since then.
Why is it still at berth in mind(PORT)?
Hi Albin::::
ReplyDeleteAs far as Yogesh is concerned...Goa has only one history........and that is the history of the Freedom Fighters.There is no difference between REAL and FAKE.
Our comments have been based on the Fakes.
Our comments on the Real ones are to question the benefits to modern day Goa.
Goa today, has been replaced by the Portuguese Crusaders, with the Indian Crusaders like Yogesh and the Fake Freedom Fighters.
It cannot be, purely ,a Religious Crusade.All religions during Portuguese rule,existed side by side...in harmony
The debate is who was better.
Anything before that does not exist or is purely fiction or too marginal as per Yogesh.
In the UK where I live, we had the Vikings and Romans.There were many crusades and wars too in Europe.There was a lot of religious persecutions too in the past.Catholicism was replaced by other forms of Christianity.Judaism suffered immensly
History of the past should not be used to fully measure the present. The world has moved on and continues to evlove.Nothing will ever be perfect except, in the Kingdom of "GOD".
But yet, we have people that keep on blaming the past instead of correcting the present.
It was the Freedom Fighters that brought up the past.
We Goans like to move on,to deal with the present and secure the future. Nothing wrong with this I hope!!
@N.Fernandes-London
ReplyDeleteYou are 101+% right.
You see, my mother tells me let any body say any thing, it does not matter, (kai zaina, kath vosona) for me it matters because if we don't question or correct them, they take for granted that whatever they said is true.
Marathe by the way can't be blamed if he was thought the wrong history, I was surprised that the university of Goa also teaches and nourishes the fake history. We've to blame ourselves if we don't correct Marathe.
We should look in the future for a better tomorrow, without forgetting our past.
Apropo: Speciall status for us Goans, FIFA president Mr. Josep Blatter will be glad to except us as a new member in the FIFA family. We Goans should have our own team representing Goa. Is this OK for you Mr. Y. Marathe?
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Your 4th part, as you love Goa the most should be an open letter to the President of India and to the President of FIFA.
GOA SHOULD BE A PROGRESSIVE STATE - Part 4 by Yogesh Marathe, (Goa) Dubai
Draft :- The 2022 WM in Qatar, should have Goa as a Team respresenting Goa, for the love of football. and so on, you're smart you'll find a way out, where there is a will, ther's a way<
Believe me you'll have my support, Finance is no problem.
http://www.lawrei.eu/?p=index&Culture=en-GB&gclid=COmrgOOxiqYCFYIc6wod-WNIoA
ReplyDelete@Mr. Y. Marathe
If you were born in Goa before the invasion, or born after with parent born before the invasion, the above site should interest you.
I feel that the Editor of this site has given this Ghantti Marathi too much chance to talk. The ar..holes like him will keep on repeating their views and will never log on to any sites recommended by Albin, N. Fernandes and other commentators to find out true facts. Incidentally, I have bought a new puppy dog and named him Marathe, because he keeps on barking night and day. I try to teach him manners (I am an animal trainer) but he won't listen. Tomorrow I plan to throw him in the Mandovi River.
ReplyDeleteINTRODUCTION TO REBT;
ReplyDeleteA-SOMETHING HAPPENS, SAGRESS ARRIVES
B-BELIEF ABOUT THE SITUATION(THEY ARE EVIL CONQUERORS)
C-EMOTION IS ANGER/BOYCOT
FREEDOM FARTERS EXPOSED, SO IS YOGESH MARATHE WITH 4TH EPISODE. LOCKING HORNS WITH OTHERS TO PROVE THAT HE IS RIGHT. ANOTHER PHARISEE DISCOVERED.
I MUST DO WELL AND WIN THE APPROVEL OF FREEDOM FARTERS,OR ELSE I AM NO GOOD. BE A NIZ GOENKAR
IF YOU HAVE GUTS.
DO NOT HIDE UNDER THE BANNER OF PROGRESSIVE GOA, AND BE A JACKALL IN SHEEP CLOTHING.
AIZ ETELO FALLE IETOLO PAVON PAVO NAM,
SENDRI GHALUN RAV GO IETLO GHARA,
SAGRESS IS STILL DOCKED IN YOUR MIND, WHEN WILL
YOU LET IT GO FREE, TO REACH PORTUGAL, AND TAKE THE ISSUE OF GOA?
YOU ARE AN EXTENSION OF FREEDOM FARTERS?
WHEN WILL YOU STOP FARTING? IN THE FIFTH EPISODE
AGAINST ME? PLEASE LOCK HORNS TO PROVE YOURSELF RIGHT?
In that and only in that you can prove to the freedom faters that you are good.
I deserve to be condemned by you because i do not agree with so do it. Condemn me, and prove to me that I am right, will you do the favor for the 5th time?
leopards cannot change their spots, does this mean anything to you?
Progressive state is your jargon,evil is your intention? Be good to freedom farters who are thieves, and be proud of them, then we will know the true meaning of progressive GOA< as you want to be. thanks.
Marathe, the essence of your article is diluted as the strong odour of history has camaflouged your article and ideas. You can't teach fabricated history to the older generation. Your views are taken from the history fabricated by the invaders of Goa that suited them to draw pension. Though you are a Bhat, I happened to talk to another pure Bhat from Ponda this day whose family served the Ramnathi Temple for generations and still does. He mentioned to me in a very frank conversation that even Hindus from Goa regret till this day the invasion of goa by the Indian Union. Goa was better under the Portuguese rule and just compare the Goa of today and the past. You will know for yourself. I hope better sense will prevail and Marathe will understand that the Liberation of goa in fact was invasion by the corrupt forces.
ReplyDeletemr. Marathe
ReplyDeletewhen will sagress leave your port, the port of your mind , on its journey to its true home,its a prisoner in your mind, why dont you let it go, give it its rightful freedom and reach Portugal its destination, while it it is docked in the PORT of your mind.DOES GOA MEAN ANYTHING TO YOU?
We can arrange a send of party from wherever
you live, for sagress so that you can think of goa and not critise its ture sons.
mr. marathi,
ReplyDeletesorry mr, marathe
show me one freedom farter, sorry for your belief system freedom fighter who is incalcating
the seeds of progressive goa, your vision of goa,
and I will salute to you.
To be or not to be a true goan?
that is the question? be a true freedom farter, or fighter for progressive goa, that is the question?
Please reply defensively, thats expected from you.
To DLP::::
ReplyDeletePlease understand that for Yogesh the "freedom Fu-k--s",are his bread and butter.
His bread is in Goa and his ar-e & butter in Dubai.
mr. marathe,
ReplyDeletewords are not enough,
prove the deeds of freedom fighters in the last 50years
If you cant prove them they are freedom farters
of progressive goa, and you too with them with your ideology of blaming others in the name of progressive goa. The cap fits you well.
Thanks a lot Albin for the site link, my parents were born in Goa but am too patriotic to run for the Portuguese passport. Seems that you actually live in a fool’s paradise claiming that all goans are Portuguese, good for people like you. As far bringing up my birth issue and the language I speak I never bought up them in the debate but it seems that you people are running out of facts and hence resorting to such cheap gimmicks. About the copy paste job by you, I shall get back in detail. About some other people commenting on my article, people have named me makkad and what not, lets not stoop to such level, we all are aware that man was evolved from apes and only education and power to think is what makes us different from them but to my dismay some people, it seems are still in the evolution stage. I shall pray to god to get them updated at the earliest.
ReplyDeleteAbout the gentleman called “Anonymous the VIII” many thanks for you kind rebuts on my language. I would kindly seek his expertise in English language following his comments to me. All he needs to reveal his identity.
Benjamin seems that you have been hurt by comments, bitter but true my friend, but they are the facts man. As stated earlier am from goa itself try something else buddy
Tariamama thanks a lot for your kind comments indeed a lot has been said and acted on the Sagres issue. But some people still live in the old siesta days, your advice to them?
Lets keep this debate a clean one, everybody knows that goans are short tempered and start to abuse but lets not get down to using caste, religion to insult each other.
Yogesh
To Albin::
ReplyDeleteThis is a quote from Yogesh in response to you..
"Keep it up. But bad for people like you that you may have to live with the fact that Goa is a part of the Indian union."...by Yogesh
Mr Y Marathe...does it have to be so?Is special status too much to ask for?
Albin...there is a problem here with Yogesh Marathe.He does not understand.....
We Goans are "forced"
to accept, we are part of India.
What Mr. YOGESH Marathe also fails to understand is that our "SPIRIT" does not do so or advise us to do so.
We will be part of India on our terms.Goan Terms.
TO TARIAMAMA,
ReplyDeletethe best deeds of the freedom fighters is to shout, to get more pension money.Yogesh pays for it so he has to defend them.
To,....
ReplyDeleteHINDUS
MUSLIMS
CHRISTIANS
SIKHS
JAINS
BUDDIST
JEWS
AGNOSTICS
HEATHENS
ORTHODOX OF ALL SORTS
WE WILL MAKE GOA GREAT AGAIN
london blogger
ReplyDeleteI am gland to hear
WE WILL MAKE GOA GREAT AGAIN
ALLAH HO AKBAR
LET MARATHE DROWN IN DUBAI WITH THIS WORDS
london blogger,
ReplyDeleteyogesh is a nri because he lives in dubai,
so he does not pay tax on his income, how he will
pay for freedom f....?
every niz goenkar
ReplyDeletewill try to make goa great again
jai ho
let me remind you of the song from B Gees
ReplyDeletewords, and words are all I have
to take our hearts away......be a niz goenkar
whoever reads it, happy new year 2011 in advance
for i do not wish to respond to a pharasee, its not worth it, for its words words words
karmali the leach,yogesh does not pay any tax being a nri,
ReplyDeleteso your income comes from every honest tax payers, be proud of them
farter,yogesh is a sounding gong/ if you know the truth.
yogesh marathe
ReplyDeletewhy do you fart?
when you pay no tax to indian govt. by virtue
of you being an nri, in dubai?
shame on you? rub your nose in front of freedom farters..... god bless you, atrue goan
Mr Marathe, why are you not in India when you love India so much???? Case closed!....Better still move to Delhi and see if you can live in filth, dirt, corrupt, cheating, robbing every single day ....sadly our legacy for OUR Goa. What a moron!
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ReplyDelete98% of Goans speak Konkni or Konkani, where Konkni is spoken by majority Hindus and Konkani is spoken by majority Catholics.
You write, I brought up the language issue, which I did bring up, "I still believe you are taught the wrong history in school" Marathe, if you meet a Goan and he says he speaks Hindi, is he a Goan? if you meet a Goan and he says he speaks Marathi, is he a Goan? maybe!!! if you meet a Goan and he says he speaks Kannad, is he a Goan? if you meet a Goan and he says he speaks Bengali, is he a Goan? the list continues till he speaks English like us, the Goan type of English.
By the way you don't call every thing "copy and paste" it's called excerpt or extract from a site, I always have the link to prove it's not mine thoughts. I'm not a robber, I don't rob other peoples work.
Now the Portuguese Passport, nobody is forcing you to take it, it's like food on the table, you eat if you want or if you are hungry, no body is forcing you, the choice is yours.
You see when I say all Goans are Portuguese, they are, you except it or not, just the way today we all Goans are Indians after the invasion, We've to except it till the day we get our independence from the union of India. It's like the Brain, every one has one, it's not if you use it you have one, even if you don't use it you have one, it's just like the Portuguese passport, you are born in and with it. You don't have to be ashamed of that.
I agree with you, we're a descendent from the Ape family, the difference is we're become rational with time, we developed ourselves with research and learning, unfortunately we can't say this to every human being.
When you say, your parents were born in Goa, may I ask where were you born, don't take this personally, it's just to know with whom we're dealing with. we don't want to convert you just convince you that you're misguided by Indian History.
I'm eagerly awaiting your 4th episode, are you preparing yourself? regarding Goa becoming a part of the FIFA family, where Goa can compete internationally, this will be a start for the progressive Goa, Goan Identity, we can wear Goan colours instead of Portuguese colours. "When Goa loses, Portuguese colours of course"
Excerpt from :- http://www.indhistory.com/partition-independence.html
>>>> The plan, however, did not take into account the fate of a large Sikh population living in Punjab, part of the B-group of provinces. Mughal emperors' persecution of Sikh gurus in the 17th century had infused the Sikh culture with a lasting anti-Muslim element that promised to erupt if the Punjab Sikhs were to be partitioned off as part of a Muslim-dominated province group. Although they did not make up more than two per cent of the Indian population, the Sikhs had since 1942 been moving for a separate Azad Punjab of their own, and by 1946 they were demanding a free Sikh nation-state. >>>
@Yogesh Marathe
ReplyDeleteYou seem to portray yourself as a gentleman but your not. Your support for Goan freedom fighters does not hold any merit. These, so called freedom fighters had no plan at all. All they wanted was to drive the Portuguese out of Goa. Then what? Nothing! If they want Portuguese out fine, if they wanted help from Indians to achieve that fine, but after achieving, they should have told the Indians “Thank you for liberating us, now you can go back to your border and we will rule our Goa from now on”. They should have requested the UN to recognised Goa a separate entity from the Indian union. If they had done that, today they would have been heroes. But no, what they did, they surrendered themselves to the new invader, fell for their lollipop promises and ultimately we ended in the situation we are today.
So you tell me what good the freedom fighters of yours done for Goa? They driven away one and invited another, so how can we say we are free.
What made you to say Goans are short tempered? We Goans on this Nig Goenkar site turn very emotional when we see what is happening in Goa today. If Goans are short tempered, than, ghantis, made good use of it.
Mr Marathe
ReplyDeleteYou cannot force us to accept your justification about the invasion of 1961. I guess U & even the invaders might be cursing for using the word liberation & not freedom.
Either Liberation or freedom, tell me why India did not keep Bangladesh ?
Nehru Romanced throught his life.
I have noticed unlike your first article now you end up with a false patriotism for Goa.
anyway I can see some fake change in you.
Dearest Tariamama, Indians living in Dubai are not called NRI’s but NRE’s and about paying taxes , I duly fulfill whatever requirements are needed to be met by me, I send remittances through legal means ( not by hawala as many of you might be resorting to) , I pay all my taxes (house, commercial licenses, my electricity bills) in Goa. So please correct you knowledge sir. About your prayers for me to drown in Dubai waters, am not a drunkard like you are and a quite a good swimmer above all Dubai waters are shallow no bad luck for you guys. I try to lead a healthy life so no questions of the physical activity mention by you. May be you should try out some churan to overcome your problem.
ReplyDeleteTo Trevor, thanks a lot for your query it is not necessary to that you should be in India to serve the country, infact am supporting the state and the country by earning foreign revenue. I do feel strongly about goa and need to see it as the “EL DORADO” but off course not abusing like most of you do, I have constructive ways of trying to bring in a change which you people wont agree to.
To Mr. Da Silva, thank you for deciding me as No gentleman, you seem to miss out on the most important fact that elections were held in goa in 1962 and goans came to power and not people from Delhi & Mumbai, why you needed UN when goans were governing goa, now you may argue that even the 28 candidates were not goans. About your claims that the people on this forum turn emotional on current goan scene is a eye wash, they don’t turn emotional but abuse and curse. It’s a fact sir.
Welcome back the monis from Buyar, I though you indeed were caught by the shurta, while fishing on the Maktoum Bridge. Nobody is forcing you to accept my viewpoint , now you stating about Nehru, that’s what called stoop level, what is his personal life being mentioned here. Nobody is questioning your private life so please grow up. And please note I have not changed, I am infused with patriotism about my country since childhood and don’t have to resort to cheap gimmicks like you turn to. By the way get your emirates id card at the earliest it shall be mandatory from next year, if not you may need to pack yourself to goa or Portugal (pun intended)
Yogesh
Hey albino, good to see you replying to me. Am sorry my numerous attempts have failed in making you understand my point of view, your claim about 98% goan speaking Konkani is absolutely true no doubts about that because it’s a the language of masses. Your claim that Marathi speaking people are not goans is a blatant eye wash. About your copy paste job which you claim is a excerpt, a friendly advice be careful when doing this, you may get caught in legal tangles of copyright violations. I actually didn’t get your point in pasting the whole paragraph on Goan history, are you trying to that the Portuguese were resting outside goa, camping waiting for somebody to invite them, my friend its not me but you who has been taught the wrong history and its okay to feel the pain as you may be belong to the group of people who were close to the Portuguese. About you requesting my birthplace, am sorry I have already disclosed it to the editor and don’t find it important to state to every Pedro on this forum. About the conversion thing, don’t be bothered about me being afraid, am proud that I live in a free state and not in the Portuguese rule where you could be converted easily. May be you should check your family tree, it may turn out that your ancestors might have been Kamat’s, keni’s etc. The khalistan movement has already fizzled out my friend, you find Sikhs in almost every sector of the economy, they are considered as the most valiant and patriotic people of India. There’s no comparison between you and them. I think that you are still running your pc in DOS mode, get updated buddy! About the FIFA thing, fielding a goan team for the world cup, why not but for that you need to qualify to be in the best 32 teams of the world which am afraid won’t be happening. Or you have a joint venture with the Portuguese. Good idea!
ReplyDelete@Yogesh, it would have been a pleasure for Hitler if he was alive to have a man like you in his team. He would have inducted you as a Historian and an advisor / advocate for himself. Though the views and feelings of every Niz Goenkar are contradictory to yourself, you seem to be fitting well in Hitler's camp. Keep it up mate! You can live for yourself with your chicken headed views and history.
ReplyDelete@Yogesh. You mention that under the portuguese one could get converted easily, then how come your parents or grand parents we re not converted? I think you are now making unnessary statements that could hurt sentiments. Let me tell you that Catholics were still a minority inspite of over 450 years of Portuguese rule.If your statement was true we could have been like the Phillipines or the latin american countries Hence please measure your statements to suite the minds of all goans. Also I have noticed you use the term "Pedros" quite often in your comments. again does not sound good.
ReplyDeleteMy previous comments are in line with Yogesh's comments to Albin. I only commented once on Yogesh's 1st article and I commended his assertive writing though our views did not meet. We goans have always lived in harmony irrespective of our background. The Niz goenkar editor and team are making a great effort of maintaining a great balance with respects to the culture and values of all goans and I think this should be commended. Comments like I pointed out will only defeat the purpose of this magazine
ReplyDeleteDear Mr. Carvalho
ReplyDeleteIt seems that you have been deeply disturbed by the conversion quote in my reply to Albin, I appreciate you concern for maintaining harmony on this forum but don’t you think you are preaching to the wrong person. I have been questioned by people on this forum about my birthplace, my caste, my parent’s birthplace?
About my conversion quote, I was just replying to a question raised by Albin, and I don’t see any wrong in mentioning the Portuguese rule for reference. Have you forgot the infamous Inquisition, I can provide you with a detailed description of the torture implicated on goans by these people. There’s absolute no question of creating a communal tension on this forum. Am not here for that!
About your statement that Catholics are minorities is a very political statement. The word Minority is a very convenient word. In India or take Goa, for example have you ever felt that you are being treated in a different way? All religions are treated with equality, everybody enjoys the same rights but still some people stick on to the tag “Minority” so please Mr. Carvalho, please don’t get down to this convenience.
I appreciate your vision of seeing Goa as a land of peace & progress, about the Pedru quote, don’t take it seriously sir; it is just a Salutation on a lighter note which has been used by me & my friends since school days. Hope that my reply should clear the doubts raised by you.
Yogesh.
@Yogesh thanks for your reply. Appreciate the offer to provide me information on goan history , however after reading your views I don't think I would want to know more from you, as being a goan ( True Goan by parentage and ancestry) I know enough about the history of our land.
ReplyDeleteAs regards the term "Minority" well I think you are politicing the issue, I never meant equality, rather I meant to say that in spite of goa being under the Portuguese for 450 years the percentage of Christians was far less during the Portuguese times and afters , my reasons for saying this was in line with your statement that one could easily be converted during the Portuguese times. Hope your doubts are Clarified.
Last I too appreciate your views of supporting goa's progress. I hope all differences will be kept aside and upstanding prevails.
Sorry , spelling mistake on the last line , should have been "understanding" and not "upstanding".
ReplyDelete@ Yogesh : I have gone through your article and quiet observing it, well it was nice! But for your reference I can tell you the history of Christians in India how they are treated
ReplyDelete1. Gujrat : There were some incidents were our Nuns were assaulted.
2. UP: There were some incidents were our Priest and Nuns were assaulted.
3. Orrisa : You know the famous assault on our Priest & Nuns (horibale)
4. Karnataka : Recent assaults on the catholic also BJP Leader wants to wipe out christianity.
Yogesh! I am religious and respect all the religion of the world, so this is just a brief history of the present India and no more discuusion on the religion.
Please keep your Indian Ideology with you, I am an Indian but I do not believe in India's ideology. I am a citizen of India, but my ideolgy is different and you can call it as Goa Ideology. So join us if you have the Goan ideology and then you can become a Nizgoenkar. It is my job to make you understand but its in your heart how to get yourself understood. You need to bury your differences
@ Yogesh : I have gone through your article and quiet observing it, well it was nice! But for your reference I can tell you the history of Christians in India how they are treated
ReplyDelete1. Gujrat : There were some incidents were our Nuns were assaulted.
2. UP: There were some incidents were our Priest and Nuns were assaulted.
3. Orrisa : You know the famous assault on our Priest & Nuns (horibale)
4. Karnataka : Recent assaults on the catholic also BJP Leader wants to wipe out christianity.
Yogesh! I am religious and respect all the religion of the world, so this is just a brief history of the present India and no more discuusion on the religion.
Please keep your Indian Ideology with you, I am an Indian but I do not believe in India's ideology. I am a citizen of India, but my ideolgy is different and you can call it as Goa Ideology. So join us if you have the Goan ideology and then you can become a Nizgoenkar. It is my job to make you understand but it’s in your heart how to get yourself understood. You need to bury your differences.
Why our well know Scientist Dr. Abdul Kalam was not made the President for 2nd Term by the political parties. What is Smt. P. Patil in front of Dr. A. P. J. Kalam? This is Indian ideology!
Yogesh, I do not believe that you a Son of a @#$%&/? is a Goan. You are the offspring of the traitor Bandodkar. You do not deserve to be in Goa. You slowly started showing your colours with every article. We the normal Hindus do not like the likes of you. So you can go and live in Maharashtra better still in Bihar milking Laloo's cows
ReplyDeleteYogesh Marathe,the RSS member - the Khaki shorts which you wear during is not worthy for people like you who trys to turn black into white.Wear a ladies panty with Khaki colour as it seems you don't have balls to confronts corrupt & criminal force ruining Goa.
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ReplyDeleteI advice you, please do not write more article, you are wasting our precious time, our precious time to read and then to comment.
You are not a Makkod as some rightly said, for me personaly you are a DUKKOOR eating whose shit, we don't know!!
Dear Mr Marathe.
ReplyDeleteI wonder which Co employed You since U R a Dukkor & M.. ooo .. t h r & F.. CC UU KK rr you & the freedom f..ooo.d...o....sss
I liked the award given to yogesh marathe the donkey of the year 2010 who gets bashed up wherever he writes. Such donkeys should not be allowed to write incriminating articles on this blog. Hope the new year goes very bad for yogesh marathe and I hope he meets with and accident in Dubai and is broken in two or three pieces.
ReplyDeleteI just cannot believe that people like Yogesh Marathe who call themselves Goans with their RSS ideology exist in Dubai from where he is trying to cause communal Harmony. Shame on you Yogesh. You are not worth to be called a Goan with all your half knowledge
ReplyDeleteYogesh,I liked some aspects of your article and I had hoped you would not get drawn into the pointless name calling and personal attacks.There are people in Goa who would still prefer the portuguese rule because they felt safe at that time. My late xamai told me countless stories of the portuguese era, both good and bad.Apart from taking a cue from the past and learning something from it there is nothing which can be done about it because it is a fact that we are a part of India at this point of time. There is also no point of convincing people who oppose this simply because what has happened cannot be undone.On a personal note I dont see why visit of a Ship is to be opposed or even celebrated, unless there is paranoia about portugues retaking Goa. As Goans we have much pressing matters at hand that need our attention.
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