SWINDON: The Goan community woke up today on 21/05/2011 with utter shock to hear the horrific murder of a gentle Goan by a fellow Goan on 20/05/2011 at 09:30 PM in Swindon, UK. The Murder has shocked the whole Goan community in General in Swindon which was seen queuing at the backyard of the house of deceased Raimundo Perreira.
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| A happy Raimundo with his wife Maria and little son Samuel |
Waves of resentment have swept among the Goans. No one is happy and are heard cursing and praying for the harshest of the punishment to the murderer. The incident has paralysed the Goans and it seems like that life has come to a standstill among the community of Goans in Swindon.
Niz Goenkar ventured out to get more of the story. At the moment there are no much details, but what we got from the locals and some sources goes like this.
Raimundo hails from Goa Velha, Saleria Waddo, in Goa is married and has one son.
On 20/05/2011, Raimundo who works night shift at WINCANTON, at South Marston, as usual left for his night shift at about 09:30 PM saying goodbye to his family, little knowing that this would be his last goodbye. Raimundo was not aware of the danger lurking and fate waiting outside.
According to the whispers in the crowd, he had hardly walked three minutes from his house when he was stabbed from behind continuously first on the neck by another Goan hailing from Santa Cruz in Goa. The whispers also said that the stabber was accompanied by two more friends of his, one made good his escape in the darkness, and the third who was not involved in stabbing nor had any intention ran back to the house of Raimundo.
According to the whispers in the crowd, he had hardly walked three minutes from his house when he was stabbed from behind continuously first on the neck by another Goan hailing from Santa Cruz in Goa. The whispers also said that the stabber was accompanied by two more friends of his, one made good his escape in the darkness, and the third who was not involved in stabbing nor had any intention ran back to the house of Raimundo.He banged hard on the door of the house and got Raimundo’s wife out and informed her to quickly come as her husband has been attacked with knife. From the whispers heard in the crowd from people unknown to us, the stabber stabbed Raimundo ample of times with one cut on the throat. Raimundo collapsed then and there.
When Raimundo’s wife reached there her husband was lying in a pool of blood. Within no time the Swindon Police and paramedics appeared on the scene. They took control of the situation. The paramedics tried their level best to get Raimundo revived but was in vain. Poor Raimundo breathed his last, though he was shifted to the Great Western Hospital immediately, nothing could be done and was declared dead.
The police have arrested two suspects one of them being the one who run to inform the victim’s wife
Today morning Niz Goenkar approached some police officers, who gently declined to give any information at this stage as they were not allowed to. But they did permit NG to click the photo of the scene of offence from a considerable distance. The police would not talk anything right away and the detectives were already busy with investigation.
A police team was seen searching the weapon used to stab Raimundo. There were two or three groups of Police on the scene. Sniffer dogs were also pressed into the service by the police. After a hard and sincere work unlike the Goa police, the Swindon police managed to trace and find the weapon used to stab Raimundo.
The motive of murder: Both the victim and the suspect were working in the same company. Some people were whispering that about an year back there was a small argument between the two, which took its effect last night. A month back the victim had received the “Best Employee of the Month” award.
Raimundo was a very cool and a thorough gentleman among the Goan community of Swindon. Swindon is also known as a mini Goa. He would always smile and talk very gently to whoever he met and had lots of friends. It was very tragic that a man with a clean image and good character should meet such a horrible death. He was only 40 years old. He is survived by his Wife Maria Susan Fernandes and his 5 year old son Samuel Pereira. Raimund's little son keeps on asking why daddy has not come home as yet. A heart renting sight and scene which makes all the visitors cry.
It was also heard that the arrested suspect was working in Calangute prior to his moving to UK. There were some more whispers that he was involved in lot of brawls in Goa and was under the police scanner in Goa.Further it was heard in the gathered crowd that in Goa he was under the protection of some Goan politician, but could not be confirmed in detail.
It was also heard that the arrested suspect was working in Calangute prior to his moving to UK. There were some more whispers that he was involved in lot of brawls in Goa and was under the police scanner in Goa.Further it was heard in the gathered crowd that in Goa he was under the protection of some Goan politician, but could not be confirmed in detail.
More news will be flashed when we get more information on the case after due progress in its investigation.
Anyone with information should call Wiltshire Police on 0845 408 7000. or call Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.
Anyone with information should call Wiltshire Police on 0845 408 7000. or call Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.
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Menino this is the second case in thirty years I have heard in UK where a Goan murdered another human being. If Edinho Carvalo had a criminal record in Goa how did he get his police clearance?. Goan Police makes it difficult for innocent persons to get clearance, but not for criminals. If he was not cleared this crime could have been prevented.Our sympathies goes to Samuel's Family, my hatred is diverted towards the criminal and those who cleared him in Goa. It is a pity UK does not have the death penalty. Goans by large are a peaceful community was stated by the Mayor of Swindon a few years back. I pray Goans are not judged by this horrible act.
ReplyDeleteHow come criminals allowed to go out of India without being screened for their records? The Goa Police will do so if bribed, But it is mostly the politicians interfere with the police work and force them to issue PCCs to their known people irrespective whether the person holds a criminal record or no. The politicians and police of Goa are both to be blamed for this murder of Raimundo
ReplyDeleteA tragic way to end a young human life, more sad as its carried out by a fellow Goan who is a known criminal in Goa. For this criminal to get a clearance to leave Goa he must have done favors for either the police or a politician. With a backhander it is not easy to get anything done in Goa. Our sleeping police only wake up to the sweet the sound of money. This criminal should be sent to prison in a third world country where punishment is the harshest. In comparison prisons in UK are 5 star.
ReplyDeleteI pray for God to give the family of Samuel the strength to bear the pain of his tragic loss.
The Goa police are poch-pochit. if a crime is registrered at one station the other stations don't know of it. Okay baby thats it.
ReplyDeletethey dont't maintain a central repository of criminal records. Not that it will be any better if they do think keeping it. They will give the programming contract for 5 crores. Never give them ideas to Ravi.
If he has PCC clearance, then Police officer who issued him this clearance certificate should be punished.
ReplyDeleteTwo different peopl, two different faces.The photos of the two says it all. This is UK and not GOA, even if the murderer is not mental, they will make him mental.
ReplyDeleteGoan Crab Mentality.
ReplyDeleteMy deepest sympathies with Raimundo's wife, son and family back home in Goa.
ReplyDeleteWhy should we push the blame on others? Just because many of us Goans want to live a decent life, earn and have a decent living, it does not go to say that all Goans are having the same frame of mind or mentality. We have a fairly large number of Goans who feel they are "Liberated", and that they can do as they wish, with utter disrespect to fellow Goans. We have seen how a band of criminal minded people had formed 'Protectors' in Goa. We see how crimial minded people are time and again elected as their representatives in the Legislative Assembly not without the votes of similar criminal minded voters. It is the way they are brought up. They have had people in name of politicians to 'protect' them when in trouble with the Law. And have been used to such activities as there was never any discipline in life ever since Goa was under Indian rule. If these people think they can do the same things outside India, they are sadly mistaken and too late to realise. The parents of this criminal should be the most responsible people for such acts by their children. It is their duty and oath they have taken during their marriage on how they would bring up their children. We cannot blame government, Goa police, teachers, etc. etc. Parents are always responsible for creating a better or worse next generation society.
I am really upset with this tragic incident.
They have killed a Gentle man with God fearing nature.My prayers goes out to his family and his little son.May this thugs who are filled with cannibalistic demonic nature should be put to prison without any remorse for mercy.
ReplyDeleteIf they are not punished,they will spoil the basket full of Goan goodies,which can have adverse effect on Goan community in THE U.K
Very Tragic and very sad, for it to happen to a very young family.
ReplyDeleteMy sympathies go out to the wife and specially the son.
I am sure all Niz Goenkars wish to express their deepest condolences ,on this tragic death of a much loved Goan.
as for the murderers, I hope they will, first rot in Jail and thereafter burn in hell.
Based on comments here, If Goa Police have not followed due procedures, in giving a Police Clearance to the murder then, they too are accessories and are culpable to this homicide.
Here for, information, is the definition of culpable which would best and approxiamately describe the corrupt action of Goa Police.
From Wikipedia.
"India
The offences include causing death whether by intention or not.
Culpable Homicide is an offence under s.299 of the Indian Penal Code (IPC), defined as :- "Whoever causes death by doing an act with the intention of causing death, or with the intention of causing such bodily injury as is likely to cause death, or with the knowledge that he is likely by such act to cause death, commits the offence of culpable homicide."
Culpable Homicide not Amounting to Murder is an offence under s.304 of the Indian Penal Code. It applies to an event where the death is intentional but does not come within the IPC definition of Murder. "
I hope this issue will highlight the corrupt methods and bribery, the Goa Police get involved in in issuing Clearance Certificates to known criminals.
Recent cases has shown Goa Police extending Visas of Foreign Nationals for a substantial fee.
The ex DGP has only used cheap words to describe Goa Police as the Best.But their actions prove otherwise.
why is UK building a nest of all these criminals ? Why is UK making this place a hell to live? He should be hung to death and his whole family should be electrocuted to death.......................................kill these germs from the society or more will be coming up.
ReplyDeleteIt is very sad to have any human being to loose life thorough Crime, specially when one goes abroad to make a better life for the family. The culprits must be brought to justice and made to serve the longest sentence possible.
ReplyDeleteIt is a shame murders destroy two families, the victims and the criminals. Parents tend to bring their children in good faith, somewhere along the line children tend to drift towards crime. The results can be devastating.
ReplyDeleteBasically, the Goan community is very law-abiding people. Its a shame to hear such things. But one thing is certain the killer had a lot of resentment against him that lingered for a long time..
ReplyDeletexx......P Da Costa..
One thing is sure it is a disgrace and shame to all Goans in the UK and in Goa.
ReplyDeletewe talk about our politicians and now we common peoploe even commit equal crime, as a result we have no right to accuse others when we are in fault ourselves.
It is human rights that protect these criminals against the harshest punishment. I too would like to see the harshest punishment possible. Lets wait and see what sentence the criminal receives. At this moment in time it is the family of the victim that we should think about.
ReplyDeleteI was deeply shocked to see raimonds picture on front page of herald this morning.Raimond I know as a person cause we use to work together in P&O cruises on Oriana for two contracts of nine month each to work with raimond was always a fun but how this insane do this kind of act on a person who is always helpful and jolly.A great loss to family and for us too.Adeus Amigos
ReplyDeleteSad story of a budding future. Sympathy to the family and harshest punishment to the criminals must be delivered. Since this happened in UK, it is likely that justice will be met unlike Goa police where the political influence will shadow the investigations and the criminal himself. Where Goa Police will investigate how rich and powerful is the murderer rather than having a thought on justice for the victim. Criminal being from Goa must be a trained goonda of some hard core criminal politician, this dadagiri won't work outside Goa, not even in Bihar nowadays.
ReplyDeleteGoans in uk, and Goans in dubai, and Goans every part of the world, no GOENKAR will allow you to come up.. and after working hard and try to come up... than knife behind you. from another goenkar.. this is goenkar life every where ...
ReplyDeleteWell all I can say is, lets not judge the whole Goan community by the act of one sick and criminal mind. We are living in an age where we are exposed to so much TV and internet that criminal tendencies do crop up in some minds. Also, the person involved in this crime is said to have had a criminal record back in Goa. it would have been great had this man turned a new leaf. But it seems that the criminal tendencies dont die down easily. But all said and done it is important to give the family strength. It is a very difficult time for them.
ReplyDeleteTaking away a persons life is no ones right. Our Goans ( some of them) have lost all their values.Money seems to be in control of them, seeing someone come up in life is a crime for them. They have to use every measure to bring them down,so much that today a life has been snatched for reasons unjustified.
ReplyDeleteI hope unlike our Goa Police the UK police investigate this crime thoroughly and serve a deserving sentence to all those involved.
@ Jack I couldn't have said it better. My thoughts at this moment are for the victims family.
ReplyDeleteThough this may not be of any consolation to the family of Raymond, the can be assured the will receive true Justice in the UK.
ReplyDeleteHad this been in Goa, it is highly unlikely they would get any Justice.Instead the criminal would be made to look innocent & a hero and the poor family would be made to look like the guilty.
The murderer, whose name cannot be published just yet due to UK Press & Police Protocols and until he is charged,but whose name has been published in Goan Newspapers ,is from my reliable sources, a well known goonda and thug of the Goa MInister of Education, Babush Monseratte.
As many Goans worldwide are aware, Babush Monseratte is well known to buy Justice.
His recent money laundering case has disappeared into thin air.Where was Justice.?
@Andrewpegado I have not been to Swindon but have friends there, If one travels around England migrants from all over the world have formed vicious Gangs among their own communities at a very younger age. The worst at this moment in time are Somalis and Pakistanis, others are Shri Lankans, Bangladeshis followed by other communicates on smaller scale. Goans were never heard of having vicious Gangs because they were spread all over England and coming from different parts of Goa, In Swindon Goans are in Large numbers and very comfortable among each other, many come from the came areas in Goa. But if in the recent years they have formed such Gangs it is up to parents and families to break the Gang Culture. Academic opportunities Part or full time are easily available in the UK (may be not in the immigrate surrounding areas) and advantage should be taken by these youngsters. Few years ago the mayor of Swindon once said it was a pleasure having Goans in Swindon. Goans are a pleasure to be anywhere and let us keep it that way.
ReplyDeleteHi Jack:
ReplyDeleteI can assure you this is not just a Goan Phenomenon.It exists all around the world and in all countries.
This also exists in all societies,Communities and stratas & classes of Society.
It is made worse , when people display wealth or power through "arrogance".
To give you an example, the Monseratte and Alemao kids drive in expensive, foreign imported luxury cars.
They have not acheived this through hard work like most of us.
They have acheived this through foul & corrupt means, officiated by their parents.
Instead, they parade themselves around Goa, with an air of power and cockiness.
Many Goan will naturaly resent such display of arrogance & power, when it has not been doen by fair means.
I am quite sure, people admire others that acheive wealth by hard work and by fair, known and accountable means.
UK police will investigate thoroughly but when convicted UK prisons will be like being in a 5 star hotel with recreation and HDTV. He should be sent to Africa to serve his prison time.
ReplyDeletePCC is available at your door steps in Goa..its not a difficulty and politicians of Goa are themselves criminals. Whom can the tragedy be explained? The beauty is in the article of Adv. Aires about the Ribander Church Molester. Who helped Fr. Newton to get the PCC and evade justice with escape route to Canada? The Bishop cleared his name in the Church corridors while the Governor of Goa Jamir closed the chapter. The Angels and the devils of Goa dances on the same tunes. Hope the justice of UK be fairly served and culprits be hooked and unearth their links in Goa.
ReplyDeletethis is one example where we demonstrate back stabbing. The Goan Association in Swindon has back stabbed the original Association and formed a separate Association, these have money in their custody as a result decided to defect from do as they wish.
ReplyDeleteit is sad, shame and a disgrace to us.
Sorry I missed something, The current President of the Goan Association is on Government benefits and probably on Job Seekers Allowances, there could be more, I will find out.
ReplyDeleteour hearts cry along with my cousin susan n baba samuel for our beloved raymond.it was realy a shocking news for all of us back in goa...can't beleive this has happend to raymond coz of his god fearing nature......how can some one b so cruel....except the devil himself.....shame on his parents for the up bringing of this young man,surely they are to be blamed as they dont keep a track of their children as they r busy in their own world minting money......very very sad for them aswell n the people who protect them..time to wake up, before its too late...
ReplyDeleteGoan males are useless and females are whores
ReplyDeleteI agree with Jack... This is really sad.. When I see situations this way - I feel ashamed to be called a GOAN cos some of them are like CRABS - they will never let you take the ladder up... instead drag you down.. My heart goes out to the family.. Feel sorry for the kid...
ReplyDeleteI just wonder how and why did the Goa Police issue this murderer with a PCC... I pray for the harshest punishment to come upon this guy.
ReplyDeleter u here to take the piss???
ReplyDeleteoh yeah any after he is sentenced for ____ amount of years i hope the UK govt doesn't releases him with a brand new identity
ReplyDeleteHi Fulgen90,
ReplyDeleteI am sorry & if I can politiely advise you, this article is about the murder of a well loved family man, with a young wife & young child & not warring Associations.
It has no immediate or direct connection to the Goan Asociations of Swindon.
From what we are hearing, the murder was related to the workplace.
If differences ,from the 2 Associations crossed into the workplace, than that is a shame.
The alleged murderer may have been a member of one of the 2 warring or breakaway Associations,However he has no right in human law or Gods law to take someones life.There are other methods available to resolve differences.Diplomacy is one.
In the UK they can go to a Small Claims Court to resolve any Financial issues.Free advice is also available from the Citizens Advice Bureau.The Local Member of UK Parliament would also offer advice or even a Parish Priest.
From all available information thus far , the alleged murderer is a product & member of the University of Goondas, thugs & criminals, headed operated & run by the Education Minister of Goa, Mr Atanasio (Babush) Monseratte.
You may reacll the storming of the Panjim Police station.You may also recall the assault on Aires Rodrigues and a friend at a Cafe in Panjim.You may have heard about the Extortion rackets operated by Babush Monseratte.I hope you are aware that half of Taleigao & Mira Mar & Dona Paula is now owned by Babush, Monseratte and his wife & Sons. I hope you are aware that in the murder of Cipriano,that Antansio Monseratte had a hand. It was on his authority that the murder took place.
I hope, you begin to understand, that for the whole Monseratte Family, "LIFE IS CHEAP" & not SACRISANT.
Any human being coming in or crossing the way, or path of Antansio Monseratte & his family is disposable.
You may recall that his (BABUSH Monserattes) wife Jennifer is alleged to have gone with bags of money to ask the Mother,in the underage German rape, perpertrated by his son Rohit Monseratte, to not pursue a court case or drop the case.The German mother has also received several threats & has given up receiving Justice in Goan Courts.
Also understand that many other criminal activities of the Evil Monseratte family have gone unreported due to fear of retribution and threats of dire consequences.
The alleged cold blooded "murderer" of a decent Goan Raymond, is none other than a follower and aspirant & disciple of the Monseratte family.He is also the export of criminals by the Goa Police.
I do not believe the warring Goan factions in Swindon have been fully "TALIBANISED".
don't put the majority of law abiding Goan people all over the world in the same category as criminals(whether Goan or not)
ReplyDeleteIn Goa police, "Paisa Feko, Tamasha Dekho". Who gets punished in Goa? Weaker section of the society punished for no crime by the politicians and police together. Actual criminals escape and roam free.
ReplyDeleteIt is sad that at such a sad time , some of the goans instead of grieving with the victim's family instead choose to bring up the issue of goan crab mentality. That itself speaks volumes about their mindset.
ReplyDeleteAbout the issue of how the killer managed to go to the UK despite having been under the police scanner. This is not surprising because even going back to the 80's the police have always made sure that those with petty crimes are sent to the gulf etc so that they can wipe their slate clean and start a new fresh life. Many have benefited from this and are now clean , honest workers despite their muddled past.
I am a bit shocked at one of the comments above asking for the killer's family to be hanged. Please remember Gandhi's words at this time...." an eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind"
I hope and pray for strength and healing for the victim's family
dis was very bad hope tht guy get a jail atleast 30 yrs
ReplyDelete@01602e37295a655a44f1d60e15b49649 I doubt the UK government will issue the killer with a brand new identity, as he is not a minor. If he holds a foreign passport he will be deported to that country.
ReplyDelete@Francis and Freeda This news has shocked almost every Goan community around the world. YES Parents have a greater responsibility of up bringing their children specially in our Goan Culture. I hope Goan parents take a note of what you have said "time to wake up, before its too late" God bless and protect Raimundo's young Family.
ReplyDeleteno hope he get jail for lifetym he is a loser he din't think of his family he din even think of raymonds family and secondly he spoiled goanz name.
ReplyDeleteLYN
ReplyDeleteI doubt the UK government will issue the killer with a brand new
identity, as he is not a minor. If he holds a foreign passport he will
be deported to that country. AFTER THE SENTENCE IS SERVED
This criminal is not one from the COMMON PEOPLE, his history says it all, he was the protector of the local politicians before he went to UK. Trained criminal, ordinary man cannot stab someone until his last breathe and keep stabbing 17 times.
ReplyDeleteI was out of the country for a while and missed Niz Goenkar very much. I was shocked to read this story and have no words to console the family. My wholehearted condolences for the family of Raimundo. I also pray to God that he may give solace to his wife and son and help them in all the possible. I specially pray to God to send a plague upon edino carvalho and may he rot and die and may the worms eat him whilst he is still alive.
ReplyDeleteI have a piece of advice to the bereaved wife of Raimundo, What has happened cannot be undone. But I know the UK government will look after you till your son becomes 18 years old. So do take care and do the right thing. In Goa nobody will look after you. People will simply try to force you to leave the country but do not do so. Wait and have patience. Your son's future is ahead. Look and think!
PEOPLE LETS PRAYER IN ONE VOICE ...SO THE THE FAMILY MIGHT GET THE BODY SOON TO PERFORM THE FINAL FUNERAL RIGHTS
ReplyDeleteMy sympathies go to the the family of Raimundo and hope the killer gets the longest sentence possible. Also hope the UK police check the killers background and any cases against him in Goa. The police in Goa must be held accountable for clearing criminals to travel abroad.
ReplyDeleteIf tats the case n talking about deporting... most of them hold Portuguese passports but have not even seen the face of Portugal...as soon as they get their passports, the ticket is booked for "Goa - LHR"...so where is this murderer going? obviously the Indian govt has nothing to do with him now coz he is no longer an Indian....Anand I am not trying to mock you or something...but this guy has totally driven me nuts...first of all he should not have been in UK if he had past criminal records...how on earth could the Goa police issue him with a PCC.
ReplyDeleteTalking about new ID that has happened...n I have read bout such things happening. I don't want to put you down but i am just expressing my self.
I am sure all evidence will all be lost as usual
ReplyDeleteThere are no words to condemn this evil act by the santa cruz fellow who killed an innocent man in cold blood. How come he landed here without PCC or who issued him a PCC given his criminal background? I have heard that he is holding Indian Nationality and not Portuguese, so it will be easier for Indian government if it is sincere to try this b*****t*****d and hang him to a tree in india.
ReplyDeleteFulgen90,please do not compare ordinary Goans to Politicians.
ReplyDeletePoliticians are mass murderers.
Sympathy to the family of Raimundo may God give them strength to beare the loss
ReplyDeleteGoan Gang members belonging to Rodolf, MLA Victoria's son are in UK too with police clearance.
Goan police must now be put under the international scanner.
Hi Lyn,
ReplyDeleteAs stated by Anand, I too can assure you that Edino Carvalho will not be given a new identity.It is only given in special circumstances to Child murderers or as Anand stated Minors.
I guess Edino Carvalho will have accquired Portuguese Nationality, which in fact makes him an EU (European Union) .
He may not be deported, but the UK Home Office & Ministry can make a special case to deport him, if he believes the Portuguese Passport was obtained by fraudulent means.
From information streaming in from Goa , it seems like Goa Police have been iresponsible in this matter to a great extent.
Granting a Police Clearance Certificate (PCC) to a known criminal is a travesty of justice.No doubt money has exchanged hands and a wink & nod from Babush Monseratte has given Goa Police permission to export this criminal to the Uk to destroy the life of a young family, and most poignantly a young son / boy.
Edino culd change his name by deed poll after completing his sentence.However this too will be a tricky area as he will still be registered with all Police & Passport agencies.
Goan communities around the world are shaken bu this vicious act of Goan against a Goan in a foreign country. If the Goan Police carried out their duties to the latter of the law this crime would have been avoided. These are the followers of Goa's criminal politicians.
ReplyDeleteOur sympathies to families of the deceased, and I hope the families of the criminal do not cover for their B-STA-d criminal son let him rot in jail as there is no capital punishment in UK.
I really feel sad and pity for the little boy of Raimundo.For the rest of his life he will face different types of difficulties in absence of his beloved dad even though many would promise many thngs on this earth.May Almighty God help him and his mother to face the future.
ReplyDeleteI will the accuse instead of getting punishment in UK should migrate back to Goa just to kill politicians starting from Chorchill family.
With all due respect Mr Fichardo, i beleieve you are wrong in your assessment that "In Swindon Goans are in Large numbers and very comfortable among each other, many come from the same areas in Goa". Infact the opposite if true. Andrew is right and spot on. He has been there and so have I and I can confirm every word.
ReplyDeleteThere is lot of "kuskepon" among goans to other goans, then there are enemities imported from goa, regional goan politics etc etc. This crime is not just one -off and there is lots going on there about which people do not know.
Parents and families are engaged in a race to make Money, if you ask them why the rush you get an answer something along these lines " we have come to uk to make money". With this race in mind everything has been neglected, children being the most affected.
When I was in swindon, i tried my best to encourage young goans to take up apprenticships. but to most this isnt a priority because it does not get them money fast, it does not get them flashy cars and trips to goa every few months to flaunt the money they earned (sometimes its parents money). the buzz words are " vorak kitle meuta re".
I anticipate this problem to get worse in the coming years.
On a ending note, there are many engg opportunities for youngsters in swindon and in the immediate area (radius of 70-80 miles). They have Honda, intel, nationwide, Oxford has BMW, smaller firms in abingdon and milton keynes etc. further up midlands you have rolls royce and others.
In UK prison the M-D- Ch-t criminal will be protected by law from other prisoners. I hope he finds a match for his crime in the prison.
ReplyDeleteHi Sandesh Gaonkar:
ReplyDeleteThere is a fair chance that this criminal Edino Carvalho has come to the UK , on an Indian Passport.
Another Corrupt Goan called Matthew Diniz, who own the notorious Kentuckee Restaurant in Colva, a known drug & prostitution joint, and who is a close friend,gambling partner & business associate of Mickky Pacheco, is known to obtain UK visas fraudelelntly,for Goans.
His method of obtaining these short term visas,is by stating the visa is required as it was a Prize incentive for the best worker in his restaurant.
On arrival in the UK , they then go underground or abscond.They are then known, to work illegally.
Hopefully the truth will emerge in due course.
One thing for sure is that Edino Carvalho is a member of a vicious gang, based in Santa Cruz and involves 2 Goan MLA`s (one male & the other female) & their children.
The name Rudolf Fernandes .of Santa Cruz & son of an MLA is hitting the Radars & news rounds.
Hi Nelly:
ReplyDeleteI think this is not a case of CRAB Mentality as you and some others here state, but a case of a pathlogical or inbred murderer.
Edino was part of a Goan Gangland culture.
Edino Carvalho has been nurtured & encouraged in commiting crimes in Goa & given the blessing of MLA`s & their kids.
In the Uk he has taken it one step further, but much more deadlier & costlier to his family and that of the deposed.
This is appearing to be a clear case of Premeditated &PURE MURDER.
Edino Carvalho had every opprtunity in the UK to develop him self.Such opportunities are not always available in Goa.
Edino would not have had to bribe his way into a job in the UK.He would just have to show enthusiasm and merit.
From the info known so far, this was a workplace dispute, that spilled out into the roads / streets.
Edino must be seen as nothng than a cold blooded murderer.He got his kicks and pleasure from hurting people.
A photo of himself on Facebook tell it all.He was no CRAB.....just a plain thug.
People with crab mentality do not or are not known to always murder as a means to an end, of their crab mentality.
Crab Mentality is not common in the UK.
Being a Goan I too am angered by this vicious act specially a Goan against a Goan. I certainly do not think you are mocking me. Although I am in Goa I am well acquainted with the British Judicial System. I understand the criminal holds an Indian Passport if he does he will receive Indian Councillor Visits. In this moment of grief we are all united in one mind. God Bless.
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ReplyDeleteThe People of Goa have more trust in Goas Smugglers, Criminals,
Drug Mafia, Goondas .They are treated as saints. Most of the Goas MLAs have
Criminal background like the Ex Banulim MLA, Navelim MLA, TaligaoMLA, Ponda MLA and
many more. Hope the Criminal gets life sentance 40 years and more in Swindon UK.
I too would like to convey my heartfelt condolences to his wife ,his minor son and the whole family. Shyam, you have given the best advise and I hope his wife will be in fit mind to take it. I also hope God will help her in this matter.
ReplyDeleteHi Earl Rainer:
ReplyDeleteI agree with you.Many Goans who have gone abroad eventually conform to social norms, good behaviour and decency.
However in the case of Edino Carvalho, and having looked at his Facebook Photo, I get the imoression that he was Flashy,Cocky,a Poser, and a good for nothing, arrogant,proud of gang culture and a downright criminal.
Terror is written on his face, just like his mentor Babush Monseratte.He wanted to be seen as a tough cookie and a Lord of criminals and gangs.
Hard work is not "his cup of tea" or a" flavour" he enjoys .Trying ot make money the easy way and through crime probably was.
I am sure in due course we will learn a lot more about him and his accomplices.
At the time of making this comment Edino Carvalho, has been charged with the murder of Raymond and will appear in court on the 23rd May 2011 to be formally charged and make his plea of Guilty or not Guilty.His accomplice,has been released onPolice bail, pending firther investigations.
The full background of Edino will now be investigated,including his arrival in the UK and any criminal activity or behaviour in Goa.
Perhaps we will also learn of Goa Police laxity, in the issuance of his Police Clearance.
For the moment You & and I and the rest of God fearing Goans , hope & pray that Raymond,his wife and specially his son & his family will receive justice.
I think many people will be happy to supply the rope for this execution.
ReplyDeleteThis is a destruction of not just one life (Raymond)...but 3 his wife & son.This crime will remain with them for the rest of their lives.
Hanging is still available in India, though rarely used nowadays.
I convey my heartfelt condolonces to the family of Raimundo and hope criminal murderer trained by the Goan politicians stay in jail for his life time. I live in North Goa and the word abuzz is that Edino the criminal was a gangster in Goa itself. What a pity, a gangster can travel with police clearance is not a surprise when Atala can go seven seas afar.
ReplyDeleteA bruised name for the Goans of Swindon and it is high time they should inform the local police about other Goan criminals hiding in their locality who evaded arrest in Goa for criminal activities and now hiding in UK.
I have more trust in the justice system of Uk than the corrupt Indian system.
My sympathies to the the family of Raimundo. Pray God give courage to Raimundos family.
ReplyDeleteHi Matthew,
ReplyDeleteBased on previous such crimes, Edino Carvalho will probably be jailed for LIFE meaning full Life , without parole or remmission.Parole is granted for good prison behaviour.However this is unlikely in the case of Edino.
His past crimes & background,in Goa, may be taken into consideration in sentencing.Any minor misdemeanors in Swindon too will be takin into consideration.
His crime was too vicious. Stabbing a person 17 times is extremely serious.It will make anyones blood curdle & the thought, give someone nightmares.
In all probability, Raymond was even stabbed several times,after he breathed his last.There was absolutely no mercy shown.
In the UK there is an element in defence, called Mitigating Circumstances (Edinos excuse).It will be interesting to see what these are and what led to Edino murdering Raymond.
I have reservations about crab mentality being an issue in this case.
To me, this "CRAB" called Edino, was more than de-ranged and drug infested murderer.
@N. Fernandes, this Mathew Kentuckee along with Mickey pacheco, the ex-Tourism Minister were involved in huge rackets of human traficking since long. These are the products of the criminals and Edino is one. In North Goa, you can see this Mathew Kentuckee with Mickey, Monserrate at TITO's doing pimping after midnight. Mathew also deals in drugs and fake currency.
ReplyDeleteI don't think that Edino is connected in any way to Monserrate. I know the guy . He is around 60 years old and he is not new to Uk. He had a very bad behavioural background. Please don't hold the parents responsible for crimes committed by such an elderly man. His parents are dead and gone. Let them rest in peace. But this man is a very bad character and he should be punished severely for the crime that he has committed. Before committing such a crime , he should think about the consequences that it have on the family. Poor Samuel will be growing up without fatherly affection. At this point of time My heart felt sympathy goes to Raymond's wife Maria and her little son Samuel
ReplyDeleteThe Goa Police are more interested in collecting haftas. Law & order is the last in their priorities.
ReplyDeleteCriminals including, criminal Goa police now get more perks & benefits after a crime.
@ N. Fernandes. This is not only just destruction of 3 lives, but a million of Goan lives that are at stake when some news like this goes international. Goans have not been ever known to be criminals on the international chart. They were more like the Portuguese, friendly and hospitable. Now, people will think twice when one says he's a Goan.
ReplyDeleteHi Mike:
ReplyDeleteI am sorry to say you have the wrong person in mind or mistaken identity.
Edino is 22/23 years as confirmed by the Police.His Photo is now on Niz Goenkar on a more recent article.
Monseratte may be 60.But behaves like a 22 year old and has the educational mentality & level of a overdeveloped 5 year old.
@Mikes, are you in your sense? This criminal Edino if you know personally, don't you know his age? Are you bluffing the public who know him well? Can't you look at his phot if not read what is written? 60 years? That must be your age. @63768111ed0e36310d1fd319302ff154
ReplyDeleteIf you know he is not connected to Monserrate then who? Mummy's criminal son Rudolf? Or yourself? This is annoying when you say that parents are not responsible. Yes, every parent is responsible for the behaviour of their children unless they are gone and dead when the child was born. Stop your bullshit.
Hi ANONYMOUS VIII :
ReplyDeleteThis news was headline news on all TV channels in the UK.
It was also mentioned in mainstream UK Newspapers.
I must agree with you , that this criminal act, by this low life, is an affront to alll decent & peace loving Goans all over the world.
We has the Scarlett Keeling case, which went Global.Now this.
It is slowly filtering on & through other News agencies.
I am sure there is far more to this guy (Edino`s ) character, than we know so far.
I am sure more info will come from Goa in the next few days.
The flashlights will shine on Monseratte & the woman he loves kissing Victoria Fernandes.
Kamat may have to make another trip to New Delhi for a fix, with the High Command.
LET THE BRUTE MONSTER ROT IN JAIL. THE GOANS SHOULD PRESSURISE THE AUTORITHY TO SERVE THE BRUTE LIFE IN JAIL. MAY THE GOOD LORD GIVE RAIMUNDO ETERNAL LIFE AND STRENGTH AND COURAGE TO HIS FAMILY.
ReplyDeletewho is monseratte
ReplyDeleteYes Mr. N. Fernandes, its a mistaken identity by me. I inquired with one guy from his village and and he gave profile of his father and what I said in my earlier comment is about his father. You can't have son different from his father. I really don't understand if violence and murder is the answer to jealousy.
ReplyDeleteMikes as you wanted to comment it is good, but the killer is around 23 tears old. You are confusing Edino's age to his criminal bosses age, it is the other way round. Or you are trying to confuse others.
ReplyDeleteHi Romulus10.: I agree with your view / assessment.However I also agree with the view by Diogo Fichardo.
ReplyDeleteThe very first tranche of Goans that initially arrived or emigrated,from East Africa, following independence movements there , to the UK ,lived with family or friends on arrival, and then eventually sought indepedence & spread themselves around. the UK.
The Swindon Goans , are mainly beneficiaries of the issuance of Portuguese Passports.
LIke all immigratory trends,people arriving,like to be, initially, in their own communities.
Once they have assimiliated and settled down in the new culture & surroundings, they too ,move away from the Community and spread them selves.
Goans in my view ,do not like living in Ghettoes.Goans like to embrace & live within all different cultures.
Goans arriving in Swindon have come over during difficult economic times.
From the information I have, Many or may I say a majority of Goans in Swindon come from the Goa Velha area.These are villages like St Cruz & Agassaim etc. , I gather. But there also Goans from other villages .
Generally most of the Goans in Swindon are hard working & law abiding people.
However there is an element of Goondas, non -educated villians,thugs,gangsters, that have also arrived.
MAny of these villians have been facilitated to come to Swindon by Babush Monseratte & Victoria Fernandes (Mummy).
I recall about 2 years ago, The Goan Swindon Assoc. invited Babush Monseratte as a Chief guest for a Feast.
He did not turn up as his buddy Mickky Was involved in teh Ratol case.Another local MLA from Agassim instead replaced him .
This goes to show you Babush`s importance to the villans & Goondas, now in Swindon.
These goondas like Edino and a few others, who must have gone underground at present, and out of radar too, are still serving their masters like Babush and Mummy & Rudolf.
I am sure in time Goans from Swindon too, will spread themselves around the UK, as soon as opportunities arrive.If Goans are known to have a crab mentality, then this too should disappear.
For the moment Goans in Swindon must keep watch on the Thugs & Goondas still tied & controlled by their masters in Goa that are disrupting the peace & harmony of law abiding & decent Goans.
Lets hope Edino is the 1st & last of these dirty social animals & scumbags.
Hope this will go some way in explaining my view as to why I agree wiht you and Diogo too.
Hi ANAND:
ReplyDeleteI am sure in UK prisons he will also get his "arse" well seen to. Read into this what you like.
The long term & hard core prisoners will surely mince Edino up.He will then be crying for his" mummy".Not his natural mother but Victoria Fernandes MLA of St Cruz and daddy Monseratte.
Fulgen90: once again I am not sure if you are discussing a murder case or bickering amongst the Swindon Goan Associations.
ReplyDeleteMany Goan Assocaiations form and disband or splinter.But I do not think they resort to murder to settle scores.
The Goan welfare Association in Doha is one such example.No murders were commited when a split took place.
What has the President ,who is on Benefits, got to do with the murder of Raimundo.?
Please also remember that everyone at some time in his life will be unemployed.I am sure you too have been in such a situation your self.Also remember Politicians defect to other Partys if the Policies are wrong, or as in the Case of Churchil & Valanka, where ever the can screw all Goans & Goa of money for their family benefit.
I do not intend to waste my time with you or you rather insensitive comment.
ReplyDeleteAlong with Mike , I suggest you go elsewhere to find out the facts.
Its good to accept one's mistake. It would have been better if Mike had reconfirmed and made doubly sure of his facts before commenting, to avoid any embarrassment to all concerned.
ReplyDeleteIts good to accept one's mistake. It would have been better if Mike had reconfirmed and made doubly sure of his facts before commenting, to avoid any embarrassment to all concerned.
ReplyDeletepaper evidence is used to roll hash in the police stations. No wonder its lost to smoke!
ReplyDeleteTo MANWEELFERNANDES:
ReplyDeleteWe are all here discussing a very sad situation ,where a decent man has lost his life and due to this there is a widow and and orphan left to face the future with out a loved one.
If your intention, is to come here and poke fun or make fun,then I hope you will examine your conscience.
I pray that such an incident will not be visited upon you or on your family.
If you take some time and read an earlier comment I made, I have plainly explained who Monseratte is.
Howeve if you are of a sick and demented mind, and have access to a computer and internet to comment here,please use your resources to find out who Monseratte is.
Please do not behave or display the tendencies of Edino Carvalho.
As I stated I have not been to Swindon and you Guys could be on the spot in your assessment. I do share in your view that Goans should take advantage of apprenticeships available in UK. Just a true example in the company I work for we have Indian Muslims of Gujarati's origin taking up apprenticeships (A level science and maths required), It is a three years course (during the term they attend college too) followed by a final exam of theory and practical. There is an assessment when passed they are on top wages, BUT the sacrifices take four years. As you say and you are correct Goans are come to make quick money without patience.
ReplyDeleteAbout Kuskepon among Goans you are not far from the truth, I was a victim of one twenty years ago, and I that has tough me to keep up my distance, but not for Goa. God Bless.
I didn't like to say that but you are true, I remember a case many years where an innocent person went to jail and came out all destroyed by hard core prisoners. Also I understand many hard core prisoners hate those that kill parents of younger children,If That is what awaits Edino then has earned it well. I hope both his mummies and daddy of St Sruz will be proud of the end result.
ReplyDeleteHi ANAND:
ReplyDeleteIn UK prisons, Indian prisoners are known as "CURRY BUNNY`S" ,by the homosexuals.
The term "bunny" comes from or is in reference to a type of bread eaten by Christians on Good Friday or the last day of fasting & just before Easter Sunday.Its proper name is "HOT CROSS BUNS".
Strangely, hetrosexuals too, out of frustration, eventually indulge in having a "CURRY BUNNY".
You are absolutely correct when you state that murderers who kill & where a child has lost a parent & is an orphan, get badly roughed up.
This Edino will be badly disfigured, in no time at all.
It is no secret who Monseratte is he is a cheap low down father of rapist, who breeds evil in Goa, he is an literate put in charge of educating our children in Goa. He is doing a good job in turning them into criminals for his ill gotten empire.
ReplyDeleteThere are no 5 star prisons in UK. he is going to spend rest of his life in hell, a 1 x 2 meter hell. All by himself, no one to talk to and no one to look at as the cells dont have windows all he has got is himself, 1 bed , and a toilet. thats what a prison in UK look like not like the ones in Goa with 10 inmates. BTW @ Niz Goenkar how come a man with such criminal record get a POLICE CLEARANCE to cross the border ???
ReplyDeleteThis murderer should be taken to a Saw Mill and cut into pieces alive. This is the only punishment for such crimes. I hope and pray to God that this man is punished most brutally on this earth before he is sent to hell.
ReplyDeleteI offer my condolences to the grieving family of Raimundo and pray that may God help you all your life.
Really Don't understand this people man. How Goa police allow him to come to UK if he was wanted there already ???
ReplyDeleteThe international committee must question the Goan Police on how many PCC issued to criminals to travel abroad. If I do come across any I will hand over the names to the countries where the criminals are. It is the duty of every Goan to do the same.
ReplyDeleteVictoria and her son Rudolf should release an ad congratulating Edino
ReplyDeleteJust arrived today from Kenya Goans there too are disgusted with this incident. A Friend who is in the police force said send the killer to Kenya they will give him the Ugali (Corn Meal) stock laced with chilli powder and inserted treatment.
ReplyDeleteThe criminal masterminds in Goa are the politicians breeding violent Gangs for their own benefit. The police are then forced to Give these Criminals PCC to travel abroad. The Portuguese must do a criminal check before issuing passports.
ReplyDeleteGod bless Raimundo's family with lots of strength and good health. So his wife can take good care of his little five year boy, guide him on the right path and make him a better person so he can make his dada (Raimundo) proud one day.
ReplyDeleteEvery time I read the news and see the picture of the little boy with his father and mother my blood pressure goes up in hatred. Like many parents I thank God we have brought our children to respect Right against Wrong. I pray for a quick ending to the court case and for the family of Raimundo to have the courage and strength to carry on as best as possible. The prisoners in jail should cripple the killer.
ReplyDeleteHi Delphine,
ReplyDeleteUnlike Goa, where such cases are dragged through various Courts i.e Magistrates/JMFC to>High Court to>Supreme Court, this Case will be expedited soon in the UK.
In my estimate it will be dealt with as soon all the evidence, medical reports, coronersreport,DNA tests,Witnesses,backgroungd checks,Psychiatary Tests are completed.
Edino is due to appear in Court Tomorrow,27th May 2011.
It will be interesting to see how he pleade...Guilty or not guilty.
There is also another plea he has to enter. Whether is Murder or manslaughter.
Murder is usually premeditated (Planned) & then executed.
Manslaughter is usually a lesser form of murder that carries a lesser jail sentence or jail term.It can be due to diminished repsonsibility or spur of the moment action, or due to other factors.
We all will know this tomorrow.
Goa Police & the MLA`s that helped Edino could also be revealed.
It will be very interesting to see how this criminal got out of Goa and avoided justice there.
hey guyz no point of commentin on dose scumbags politician and murderers family.god will judge them on every drop of raimundos blood pray for his families, and pray in future dat no goan at any part of the world will cum under dis circumtenses.and even if u comment in ur blood abt politician dey will b no change its not oly in goa its whole world dnt waste ur time on dem.bcuz politician r the war.
ReplyDeleteIn my few visits to Swindon, I've seen how our Goan youths are wasting their time in factories, most of them are graduates, instead of taking the opportunity to further their studies, most of them prefer making fast bucks, I had to convince them that in the long run they all will be losers. The advantage they have in London is the language, but nobody that I know would like to take that advantage. I for myself had to study a foreign language, to further my studies. I pray that common sense will come to our youth.
ReplyDeletewell said, Diogo Fichardo. Whatever mentality we may have "Goa comes first"
ReplyDeletei don't trust humans any more .but i know the person who has taken life of my son's dad and my husband will nt me spared he s going to suffer the worst pain in his entire life.i love my shana and i know he s right hre wt me.my son cries every day saying i want my dada though he knws his dada will nt b back.
ReplyDeleteMonseratte is born in December 1962, the 22nd, hardly 50, sweet 49. This idiot has ruined Taleigoa, no trees and fields are spared. He will rot in hell. That goes to his sex maniac wife jenifer, too who his 6 yr's younger then him.
ReplyDeleteI don't won't to agree with you, but you are 61% correct. We goans will love you 100% when you marry in our family, otherwise you are cursed.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if this crime is registered at the Portuguese consulate?, as the people involved are legitimate citizens of Portugal of Natural Goa.
ReplyDeleteAre you another idiot? who think you can waste our time,
ReplyDeleteLosing a member of a family through illness, although hard
ReplyDeletebut we can come to terms with as it is divine intervention. Losing a member
through the hands of murderer can never
be easy to forgive and forget. As I lost my son in similar circumstances I can only say: We can only learn to live a day at a time and
make our lives better then the criminals life. Your child life has a long road
ahead, he will need every ounce of your strength to guide him to be a better
person.
Hello Sir Menino, thanks for the news coverage of this gruesome murder. You have covered it well and we got the news here in Goa. Herald did cover it from Niz Goenkar I am sure but others like Navhind times failed to bring before the Goans this news when they could have well taken it from NG. What a shame and selfish type of newsline is Navhind.
ReplyDeleteMy sympathies go the the bereaved family of Raimundo specially his little son Samuel. May God protect them now and forever. Let the killer rot in jail all his life.
No one commented the reason for committing the murder of his colleague and his assists.
ReplyDeleteDont paint one side of the wall to say something.....
Their other colleagues working with the same company may be knowing the truth....