Goa should be as progressive State?
**NOTE: I am mindful and aware that some commentators have remarked that replying to Yogesh Marathe is a Pointless and fruitless exercise.
I am also mindful and aware of a request by P.Cruz, for unity in the face of many evils Goa has to confront today.
In my personal opinion and evaluation and assessment, Yogesh has demonstrated and continues to demonstrate, a distorted view of history and its facts, to serve the agenda of “DARK FORCES”. My current intelligence and hunch is that he is a humble servant, fanatic and radical, of an organisation that wishes to merge Goa with Maharashtra.
He has either elected himself or been appointed by agents to come and spew utter rubbish and upset the Niz Goenkar applecart.
He uses a “carrot and stick” approach. He seems to use and exercise suspicious politeness, but below that politeness is a hidden and darker agenda.
Having read Yogesh`s response to me, I conclude that it is more than laughable as it is loaded with his personal “Historical Comedy” and interpretations of words beyond their real and true meaning.
Suggest to Yogesh that India too has committed atrocities in Kashmir, Khalistan, Assam, etc…his answer is “ this is due to anti-Indian sentiments. I suspect the Portuguese,Sikhs,Kashmiris or Goans have “no right” to have such sentiments.
His reply to my article is full of crazy contradictions.
He has chosen “Bizarre Rhetoric” instead of common-sense or diligence to argue his case and facts.
World English Dictionary
rhetoric (ˈrɛtərɪk) — n
1. the study of the technique of using language effectively
2. the art of using speech to persuade, influence, or please; oratory
3. excessive use of ornamentation and contrivance in spoken or written discourse; bombast
4. speech or discourse that pretends to significance but lacks true meaning: all the politician says is mere rhetoric
He has chosen to wear his skateboard and skate around and justify his own versions of history. In more simplistic terms-“He beats around the bush”
I commend Yogesh`s ability to write good grammar. But the misuse of words to support his case is blatantly “Comical”. I am sure many people will agree with me that a “POND” is not the “SEA” or “OCEAN. A “motive” is not “symbolism”. One leaf (RTI) does not make a TREE”. Also, “One swallow does not make a summer”.
He is of the belief along with the FF`s that the NRP Sagres arrived in Goa uninvited, without permission, and in defiance, to land with a re-colonising motive. This is what incited the Freedom Fighters to take exception and protest.
In my view the only gain the Freedom Fighters achieved is ridicule and further distrust. It was a demonstration and protest of sheer madness.
I am sure every intelligent person knows the meaning re-enactment.
Stories from the Mahabharata are re-enacted often. So too are Shakespeare’s plays. I am also sure that everyone knows what a commemoration is. I sincerely hope there is a difference between “commemoration of a sea voyage” and “commemoration of colonisation”. Commemorations and re-enactments do not have to be date specific or are not governed by strict guidelines.
I am sure, ”IF” intelligent diplomats in New Delhi felt the ships arrival was to celebrate re-colonisation, it would have advised against such a visit and send the might of all its warships to greet it. NRP Sagres is no more than a wooden Ship of a past era. The Portuguese too would be sensitive and exercise due diligence to such an event taking place.
Who`s action is right? New Delhi, or the semi & uneducated Freedom Fighters and Goan Politicians or a comical supporter, Yogesh.
India today, along with Goa too, has good diplomatic relations with Portugal.
They are all members of the United Nations. Such a body did not exist 500 hundred years ago.Portugal supports Indias membership as a permanent member to the United Nations Security Council.
Yogesh`s initial article questioned the dis-respect shown to the Freedom Fighters in comments that were made about them. He must begin to understand that we now live in a Democracy, where some will agree with the Ships arrival and purpose and others will disagree. That is our fundamental right.
If 80% of the FF`s are fake, as per Yogesh himself, who majority views is he choosing to defend?
It was not the real Freedom Fighters that were being criticised…..it was most definitely the fakes. Most Goans have an issue about the proven fakes.
The question that Goans ask, and rightfully so is: was Liberation Good for Goa.?
As far as Yogesh is concerned….it was, as it gave us a jewel.., the RTI Act. Approx. 45 years after Liberation.
I doubt Yogesh can distinguish a difference between Civilisations of the past and civilisations present. They are both the same, based on his, prejudices jurisprudence & comical justifications.
The World 500 years ago, had no Political systems as we know it today. There were no pre-defined borders.
Rulers, 500 hundred years ago were Dynastic Emperors’, Kings & Queens, and Dictators.If anyone complained…they would be hanged, garrotted, guillotined, burnt at the stakes, or fed to the Lions.
India had a very large share of Emperors’, Kings & Queens. All, at some point in history, were at each other’s throats. All of them, colonising and invading each other’s subjects, or religious beliefs.
Nazism, as per Yogesh, I suppose, is not a form of a “Crusade”, Invasion or Ideological & doctrinal colonisation.
Every Political system, regimes, forms of governance of the past, in every country as we know it in the modern world, have had a fair share of atrocities, wars, invasions, colonisations etc. Why is Portugal only being singled out. Portugal colonised Goa…the British, the majority of India. I do not hear about protests in what was British India. Why is it so?.
Since we are all Indians now, shouldn`t we condemn and protest at both, the British and Portuguese “forever more”. I do not hear many protests from the Indian Side (British) of the divide. Why?
Both Colonizers have left India with a huge legacy.What have the Freedom Fighters of Goa left us with?...the RTI…highlighted by Yogesh. Is that not comical, to say the least.
Portuguese Churches, which existed side by side with Goa`s Temples are World heritage sites which earn huge Tourist revenue.
What is the current motive of the Goa Freedom Fighters?...unjustified taxpayers Money, Fear, political muscle,? Hasn`t the world moved on.?...or are we living in some sort of a Freedom Fighters time warp or suspension of TIME. circa 1961
In 20 years’ time, many of the FF`…fake and real, will have died and passed away into history. Who will be protesting about the arrival of NRP Sagres, when it re-enacts a sea voyage, if ever? Perhaps Yogesh!!!
Today Goa is slowly being decimated, inch by inch, minute by minute. There is a new form of colonisation taking place, right under the eyes of the freedom fighters and right at their doorstep too.
Goa`s new colonisers are, whether Yogesh agrees or not, or again chooses to skate around the truth and beat around the bush…, are the, Corrupt Politicians, Real estate companies, mining companies, hoteliers, un-controlled migration,Ghettoes & Nagars etc.
Yogesh is more concerned about the historical crimes committed by the Portuguese than by the current and far more severe crimes committed by Goa`s Politicians’, under the questionable “Freedoms” and “Liberty” won by the FFs.
Politics in Goa today is a family run business. It is a profit & loss based business operated by the likes of Churchills, Ranes, Monserattes etc.
There is one law for the rich and mighty and another for the poor. Let’s blame it on the Portuguese, while the Freedom fighters have gone to sleep or are having a long, Political siesta.
The Governor today feels the RTI should not apply to him, but only to the Citizens he has been appointed to oversee. It could be called freedom and impunity & exemption from justice and due process of law.
Corruption, land grabbing and other nefarious activities now permeates every nook and corner of the fabric of Goa. This is of no concern to the Freedom Fighters. Burgling Churches and Temples on a daily or weekly basis is a sort of Political freedom and democratic right won by the FF`s.
Is this not another form of Colonisation?
The NRP Sagres came and went. It has sailed off into history again.
If this is all the FFs could protest about, it is rather a shame, as their liberation has brought or is bringing a slow death to Goa. Let us not blame the Freedom Fighters for their ineffectiveness, as it will upset Yogesh. Let’s blame the Portuguese.
So I hope Yogesh understands, if ever he can, that we will give respect when it is due and earned.. not when it is demanded by his comical and ridiculous historical versions.
Note: Yogesh can reply…but I have no further desire to respond to blatant fools.
Goa should be a Progressive state? Part 1,2,3 etc..Oh yes…when Yogesh Marathe takes us backwards in time….and with no consensus for the future.
Who are you fooling and deceiving Mr Yogesh Marathe? Do not try to “pull wool over our eyes”. You are no Niz-Goenkar (EDITOR TAKE NOTE).
Well I think Yogesh should check his 1st article , he was commended for his language my many even though views did not meet. Infact N.Fernandes even welcomed him on the blog. This it self proves that views dont matter . However he pushed the buck to far by unessary comments wereby he lost his respect. He should appreciate the hospatility of the editor for tolerating a lot of his assumptions espicially the assumptions on the visit of the Sagres and many more. I would leave him alone with no further comments.
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ReplyDeleteYou are very right we should not waste our precious time on DOKKOOR Marathe.
We should concentrate more on Special status to Goa and it's people, so many so called Nagers have poped up, "Gandhi Nager, Indra Nagar, Motti allias Mullah Nagar and so on, perfect Vote Bank for corrupt Politicians.
Marathe, your limit has crossed too far so you need to back track as soon as possible and see your foot steps. My sincere advice to you at the end of this Wonderful Year 2010 and may you have a peaceful, thought provoking New Year 2011.
ReplyDeleteI have just come of the TV watching a programme on Indian Railways. In it shows come British Citizens travelling the oldest route that was built by the British Raj. Neither the BJP or anyone protested against the British Citizens being there. But in Goa a hand full of BJP and Freedom Fartters are seen protesting against the Sagres. Why is it only in Goa we tolerate these Right Wing parties and their Views? Because our successive Goan Governments do not have the balls to kick these right wing bastards out."We Goans are too tolerant".
ReplyDeleteTo the editor This Yogesh Marathe was given a platform on NG site, he has abused it by his Right Wing Views and should not be looked upon again.
FINAL ANALYSIS OF YOGESH`S DISTORTION OF FACTS.
ReplyDeletein 2 parts****
Your rebuttal to me consists of gross deceptions and a distortion of facts
This has been clearly noticed by other readers here.
Here below I will rest my case.
1 Dates: Firstly, the dates you mention are not relevant. This was not an anniversary. It was clearly stated as an re- enactment.
Sailing vessels of that period were not mechanised or Turbo-propelled. They sailed with the help of winds and sails. Sea journeys were dependent on wind and other astronomical factors. Journey of sailing times were not measured precisely.
2.Goodwill: Are you suggesting the Indian Government allowed the ship to dock for a sinister purpose?
3.Exploration ,Conquest & Crusade: In you demented and twisted mind, are you logically suggesting that a Crusade takes place first and then Exploration. How do you personally Crusade without exploration? So in your view, you can crusade in an empty desert and then explore it! You are an amazing twit.
4. Motive & hidden Agenda: So in your view and on behalf of the Freedom Fighters you defend, The Indian Government did not advise you of this corrrectly?.What is the motive and hidden agenda in 2010? Answers please.
5. Trade & Colonisation: Trade was a major reason and colonization was acceptable for that period in history. Warring Indian factions Invited the Portuguese .Refer to any History book…not your personally distorted version
part 2 follows......
part 2******
ReplyDelete6.RTI: it was your reference to it being a crown jewel of liberation. A sort of gift Goa got from the Freedom Fighters in 1961. It was in fact, enacted in 2005, 44 years after Liberation. It was the People, not the FF`s that obtained it. Is is no pain for me to see the Governor comply. Instead it will be a joy.
7:Proud to be Portuguese: It is your cunning and decietful method with a play on words. Yes I am proud of the Portuguese Legacy, in comparison to the current Indian Legacy, which is corrupt and destructive. Why are you in Dubai if you are so proud of the Indian Legacy practiced in Goa.
8.Ghantis: You must be the only person not concerned with overcrowding in a small state like Goa. I suppose in you wisdom Goa has infinite resources. You once again choose to, twist , distort and distract what Niz-Goenkars have said to score a few points for yourself. In case you cannot read and understand….Goans are rightly concerned about overcrowding and the crime rate brought in by migrants. What is you view on overcrowding? Are you not able to comment on this? Perhaps you will realise your dream when they over run and colonise you, to their way of life. Perhaps spitting and defecating openly and such uncivilised practices are acceptable to you and practised by you.?
And by the way we Goans did not invite the Ghantis, it was done and facilitated by the FF`s.
9. Destruction of Goan bridges and installations: This is a war strategy. The Portuguese did this to halt the Indian Invasion and cut supply lines. It was not done to destroy Goa. Please do not distort facts to win your argument and please read books on war strategies, IF, COMMON SENSE DOESN’T HELP YOU.
10.Goan Gold:: This was deposited by Goans for safe keeping. The Portuguese had to ensure that it would all go back to the correct recipient’s / owners and proper formalities and accounting, for the return had to be negotiated.
The Portuguese did not steal this gold. Goans voluntarily gave it to the Portuguese for safe keeping. In war situations, armies are known to , steal, loot d rape and kill. Again get you facts right.
The return of the Gold has been appreciated by all depositors…except by you. For you it is the years it took and not the actual return.
Do you care to mention what the Freedom Fighters stole? Oh no! , they are innocent by your standards.
Note in Conclusion:
WE GOANS OF ALL FAITHS DO NOT NEED YOU TO PREACH TO US YOUR VERSION OF PORTUGUESE AND GOAN HISTORY, DISTORTING FACTS AND FIGURES.
YOU HAVE BEEN DISOVERED TO BE “UNPROGRESSIVE” AND A PREACHER OF HATE OR COMMUNAL POLITICS. “PERHAPS” GOA`S REFUSAL TO MERGE WITH MAHARASTRA HAS LEFT A SOUR TASTE IN YOUR ASPIRATIONS.
CARRY ON DREAMING WITH YOUR VERSIONS OF HISTORY.
WISHING EVERY READER A HAPPY NEW YEAR.
AND A WISH THAT GOA WILL BE GIVEN “SPECIAL STATUS”.
I had remarked this to the Editor that this Yogesh is the type of character who given an inch will want a yard or given a finger will want to swallow your whole hand. He was allowed onthis blog with good faith and had many supporters, but he went out of concept and does not deserve any more applause. He shuod be thankful to NG for giving him a chance and should go and hang himself for wasting the opportunity.
ReplyDeleteTo Mr Marathe
ReplyDeleteDukrra . Ek Kotti Ghea tintun poilo M..uuu .. TTT
ani tintun tugem Nak budoun giv di
To my dear Nizgoenkars, I believe our words are making an impact! I believe discussions are going on in homes all across Goa. We need to encourage this. Just toady, the Herald reported that the FF are now reacting to comments made about them. Even the Herald editor-in-chief had to write about the 'rot' in Goa. I thank Mr Menino, Mr Cruz, and all the nizgoencars that have allowed this medium to speak to our people. When the Herald silenced us because some politician wanted to silence us, this website has been a Godsend. It is grassroot efforts that can change our destiny for the better. I applaud all those who give of the time to contribute with articles. We need to inform our people and let them know that we are ready to fight for Goa. Our people in the villages need our help. We need to let them know that for some, being the crumb eaters is not the way. As a society we need to ostracize those that are traitors. So much harm has been done to us. The time to act is now. I urge all Goans to unite. I appeal to the overseas Goans, to do their part. We need to set up legal funds to challenge all the harmful attacks on our homeland. I urge the Goans overseas to have your parties but also collect funds to fight the system that is not on our side. Just as Mr. A. Rodrigues is challenging the system, we too need to pay for lawyers to help our people in the villages. There is no doubt that we are on the attack and our destiny is not looking good for us. We have had an invasion on our soil, and soon our voices will be drummed out if we don't act now. We are not being anti-Indian, we are trying to preserve our heritage. Why shouldn’t be proud of our heritage? We have such a rich culture. We are a small state, the in-migration has been excessive!! I urge the people to rise and put in a moratorium on construction in Goa. Kick Chorchill and his MEGA project. Traitor! In some ways, he is a greater evil than the Mickey Mouse. Keep up the good work. Words DO make an impact! Lastly, I urge new readers to write in their comments as we need to let the dirty politicians know how big our numbers are. To all, A Happy New Year! Special status for Goa!!Viva Goa!
ReplyDeleteA Happy New Year 2011 to you all at NG:
ReplyDeleteThank you for letting me write some of my thought's in NG.
@ Mr. Yogesh Marathe, regading your RTI act, pls go thru the link provided:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.tehelka.com/story_main47.asp?filename=Ne091010Dead_Right.asp
Hope this will convince you that all is not well in the Indian union. Happy New Year 2011. Regards
Firstly a big hello to Mr. Fernandes for his long delayed reply to my article, I do understand that he may have needed a dictionary and a lot net surfing for whatever he has jotted above.
ReplyDeleteAs you seem to be the leader of the so called small herd of Anti India, have done a great job to justify all your actions and writings but for your kind information, am not interested. You know it is not me but you who have been beating around the bush while you fail to reply to any of my facts noted. Good for a few people like you who like to live in past glories and are interested in only highlighting the current goan scene. About “blatant fools” quote by you even am not interested in responding further because it’s useless. There’s a saying in Marathi “Paltya Ghadyavar Paani” which mean it’s of no use of trying to store water in an upturned pitcher. Its perfectly suits people like you.
About you asking me what am doing in Dubai, the same question can be put you about your whereabouts in London if you are so proud of the so called Portuguese legacy. And thanks a lot for you last comment about me stating that am “unprogressive”, was expected from people like you. People like you are best suited for what we call here in Dubai as “Girgir” stands for “useless chat”.
About my dates and facts, I stand clear on them, may be you need to check your source of information. You know the problem with people like you is that once you have Jaundice the whole world seems to be pale and yellow. You are suffering from the same syndrome.
Special mention to the Buyarantlo Monis, please don’t reveal your standard by that language used. I know you are disturbed but you are targeting the wrong person and a humbe request to atleast come out of the Buyar this year, lack of sunlight is taking toll on your mental health.
Dalia please be patient with my articles, it is bound to hurt people like you who are following some UFO society which dreams of “Independent Goa” time to get back to the real world madam.
Wish you all had the same vision for Goa as people like me do but unfortunate that you have been grappled by some atrocious thoughts. Pray to god to get you people back to normal mode and able to think about steps that can be taken to bring about a positive change for Goa.
Yogesh Marathe
To Yogesh Marathe:::
ReplyDeleteI have no intention to respond you, as I have made it quite clear.I let bygones be bygones.
You seem to have come back .. limping a lot.
Mr. Fernandes
ReplyDeleteThe best part is that you seem to eagerly awaiting my reply to your so called research documents and above all say that you don’t have an intention to reply to me. Get real Mr. Fernandes. About me limping, am quite strong and healthy young man may be age is catching fast with you and hence you are commenting irrelevantly about me, As expected from you. I do pray to god for your good health and would love to gift you some more dictionaries and website links for your useful research. Keep up the good work.
Yogesh Marathe
I did not see another NUT like Yogesh Marathe. How much are you educated? When Fernandes said limping it did not mean physical limping you dolt! This shows that other than RSS ideology nothing else can go into your peanut brains. You seem to be a fellow so absorbed with your RSS ideas that even sayings and proverbs are read literally by you. Go to sleep Yoghur Maha-Rat
ReplyDeleteTo Yogesh,
ReplyDeleteI am not sure if you understand much....read this..
Note: Yogesh can reply…but I have no further desire to respond to blatant fools.
To people like rebello and London blogger (am sure this one is fernandes). Even I had made it clear that I do not have intention of replying to weeds like you but for your information you should check your education, it shows by the way you spell peoples name, by any chance are you holding a face degree or so? Instead of pointing fingers at others may be you could help this gentleman from London in with his irrelevant history lessons. People like you who have potatoes in their brains tend to connect me with organization mentioned by you. Good for you “life in a Fools paradise is good right!”
ReplyDeleteTake care and join some grammar classes!
Yogesh
To Yogesh,
ReplyDeleteI am a Goan and a good friend of N.Fernandes.We have discussed your articleand discuss others at length.Your name assumptions is not correct.
I only comment when I see idiots.
Everyone has given you a good hiding here and you are trying to recoup some lost pride.
Fernandes is a fair minded person.but you have crossed your limits of idiocy
Dear Mr Yogesh,
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I wish to meet u in Dubai where i have been working for the past 20 years. All the freedom farters have their addresess, so also Ali Baba & his Chalis Chor.
My humble request to U .. if U are a true Bharathi, please let me have your address in Dubai so that I can meet u in person.
Only idiots like you keeps the sun shining.
Dear Mr Marathe
ReplyDeleteI guess your eggs are rotten
and the poison have raeched your brains
Dear Mr Yogesh. U R A real bus..3..rd In what way R u trying to justify that the invasion on 1961 was of reclaiming land of Goa when India itself as a country was not in exixtance when the Portuguese arrived in Goa 450 years back. U have not replied to request for info from you as to why East Pakistan is not part of India now ? M.yy..rr..ee . why even now all govt officess are housed in the buildings build by the Portuguese ? even the militery & also the Airport used is of the portuguese. Even the Invaders are using the same drainage built by the Portuguese. P..OO.DD.AA M..AA.YY RR EEE ch uu ttt
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ReplyDeleteMo t h .. eee .. rr f...u..c..kk..ee rr
where r u hybernating