There have been some serious & strong replies that have been posted against my article in the previous edition. Firstly thanks a lot for all of your comments and suggestions
I have every right to explain my point of view and here I am doing the same. About people questioning me being a Goan, I don’t have to prove my identity for that; I have already done it to the concerned persons and they are quite contemplated with it
About many issues discussed, the first one was that of Freedom Fighters, I would make it clear that I am in no capacity linked to any of them but equally feel that they have the right to express themselves as you all do (that includes the abuses too)
About NRP Sagres, I have been blasted for my comments against the youth of Khariwaddo offering a colorful farewell to the said ship. I stand on what I said, this young people are just puppets drawn by the offer that has been mentioned by me in my article, and can any one challenge me that you won’t find this same people rallying for the so called corrupt politicians in the next elections. A tank full of petrol, booze, and some cash can make this people even support for anyone tomorrow. That’s a fact! About the protest against the ship, please be reminded that the protest was not against the ship but for the motive it carried, celebrating 500 years of Alfonso Albureque, the ruthless initiator of Portuguese imperialism in Goa. Try celebrating the Liberation day in Portugal and let’s see how they react. Some of you have compared partiality between reception offered to Britishers and that to the Portuguese. But I would like to state that the Britishers never came back commemorating their rule in India. The Portuguese, it seems still gaze in their old glory about Goa. Need a reality check!
About me being termed a RSS / BJP chamcha, please note that am not. And I don’t need to be associated with them to express my views. Don’t make this forum look like a Pro Portuguese and anti India platform. Every one has a right to express and I have done the same.
Many of you have termed me as a brainwashed person; I can clearly (with a sane mind) say that I have concrete views which may not be agreed by you people, many of you have painted a green picture of goa being a prosperous region during the Portuguese times, if this was the case than what was a major population of goans doing in places like Bombay, Karachi and most of the African countries, infact African countries such as Mozambique and Angola saw the goan liberation as a boost to their freedom struggle against Portuguese Imperialism. Goa was a colony to the Portuguese until 1951 which was changed to the term “overseas province” in rejection to Nehru’s demand to return the enclave. Thousands of Goans had actually fleed to places such as Mangalore & Karwar inorder to avoid persecution by Portuguese. Am glad that all these chapters have been strongly documented in history books and prove a strong rebut for people singing songs of Portuguese era. A few have commented that people were happy and content under the Portuguese, what a blatant lie! Happiness did prevail but was limited to people belonging to the business houses, the elite Hindu & Christian classes. Who made all efforts to appease their masters and had no role in the freedom movement.
I even saw a comment that a link with heading cruelty inflicted by Indian soldiers, but in the whole video I never saw a person being mis handled by the Indian soldiers, infact the so called destruction mentioned is not of any residential house but a police station. One can see a stock of riffles and I don’t suppose people were exhibiting them at home. About the claim that people were forced to carry the tri Colour is another false statement. No where in the whole video is a person seen carrying the Indian flag with fear. You see the problem is when you have jaundice everything turn out to be yellow, the same is the case with a few people on this blog. People talk about torture, am attaching this link http://wn.com/goa_freedom , do watch it and posts your views on it, shows you the how cruel this Portuguese were, firing at unarmed satyagrahis made them proud! These were the same Portuguese who had orders to destroy Goa if not defended and even succeeded in doing so by destroying a number of bridges. So claims that Goa was dear to them are a FAKE propaganda by some pro Portuguese entities. Goa was always a Colony to them and would have remained the same if not liberated.
Among many comments boasted on this forum I saw a person stating that gold belonging to goans was returned by the Portuguese. They did return but only after 14 long years and that too after the Salazar regime ended, I don’t suppose they might have given it a second thought if had Salazar continued. I would also being to your notice that the Indian government didn’t charge any custom duty for this gold received from Portugal. This was during the times when gold smuggling was at its peak.
Many have questioned me on my claim that Portuguese were ruthless and asked for evidences you try to google the names of people like Charles Delone, a French traveler who visited goa and was subjected to torture during the Inquisition, a famous writer Alexandre Herculano, Italian merchant Filippo Sassetti, not to miss out “Agent Monteiro” who created havoc by his merciless torture among Goans, numerous account can be given to prove the Portuguese cruelty. The biggest shock, which many of you may be unaware, was that an administrative order was passed to eliminate Konkani language during the so called golden era. A detailed description of the Portuguese torture can be found at this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goa_Inquisition#cite_note-Machado-29. About a statement by someone that most of the goan freedom fighters were listed by the Portuguese as criminals should be correct as they were fighting against them. Even Subhashchandra Bose, Bhagat Singh were listed as a terrorist by the British government. As for the freedom fighters issue, yes almost a majority of them are fake, no second thoughts about that. Even the late Ravindra Kelekar had agreed that almost 80 % of the Freedom fighters were fake and were enjoying government benefits, for which the government needs to be held responsible.
I saw some comments about the opinion poll. Many people shall be amazed that I have and always would admire Dr. Jack Sequeira for his successful campaign against the Goa merger, which resulted in Goa being an independent state. If not we would have been just another sub urban sleepy district of our neighboring state.
The best thing we goans do in our free time is to get nostalgic about olden days and curse the current government and politicians probably that’s an important task of maintaining the Goan identity, I suppose. Especially Goans settled abroad either for employment or with other nationality (pre dominantly Portuguese, am sure about that) has any one ever tried to think what can be done to curtail the current scene, just abusing and expressing your freedom of speech doesn’t help, no body cares about this write ups. Do you think an average Goan is concerned about all this fiasco? Try writing against the liberation in Goan newspaper and let’s see the reception.
Yes there is corruption, yes there are corrupt politicians, and this problem is not only curtailed to goa but is a national issue. We all are responsible for this chaos. We get this people elected time and again, all those talks about rooting out corruption smoke out with a month long free booze & food offer by this corrupt politicians. How many people on this website have actually went out and voted even once. I assume they won’t be many, I reiterate the fact that No country or state is perfect, it is to be done by people like us , abuses and anti state comments surely won’t help the cause. Portugal has already recognized Goa as an integral part of the Indian union way back in 1974 so there’s no point in digging up the ghosts, even after all this explanation if anybody still finds the Portuguese near to their heart than my dear friends you are living in the wrong part of the world.
About claims that Goa in danger from Non Goans “Ghanttis” as you people call them, I recollect an incident during my college days. A metal processing plant was coming up at Sancoale Plateau and there were agitations by the local people against the project with the sponsorship of a few so called mass leaders. The people were brain washed about the water in neighboring areas being polluted, increase in air pollution and what not? The matter went to court and resulted in the plant getting a green signal, there were violent agitations, stoned pelted at the factory premises and at the court too. The result; all the labors who actually came to set up the plant were given appointment letters and jobs offered to only those who could prove that they didn’t belong to Goa. The current scene, a normal labour ends up earning 15-20ks every month at this plant and an average goan sweats it out at the neighboring industrial estate at 120-150 rupees daily wages.
Goa today is in the spotlight for all wrong reasons, drugs, sex rackets, illegal land deals, and foreigners owning prime properties, corruption everywhere. Inspite of reversing into the past lets join hands to fight this evils together (this even goes to people who still live in “Buyarant”). Not everything is dark, there are so many good things happening. The RTI act which enables every citizen to seek any government information, people like Advocate Aires Rodrigues, Ashley Rebello and recently Remo Fernandes too. We need to support this people
Yogesh Marathe
P.S a special note to Buyarantlo Manis, please don’t go fishing at the Maktoum Bridge, it’s of risk of being caught by Shurta and they don’t accept bribes too – No pun intended!
Yogesh you still seem not to understand. If we write the truth in the local newspapers of Goa they will definitely not publish them because they are puppet newslines and newspapers who are controlled by the the dirty corrupt politicians and dirty indians. So do not challenge because you know that they will not do it. If they were democratic like in the western countries they would publish but they are not. Indian democracy is a namesake democracy. So get this picture in your mind once and for all. Becasue of this the Herald has closed down its comment section.
ReplyDeleteI agree that meta strips was goofed incident but about other incidents like the liberation you are a fool Yogesh. You are an offspring of RSS and so your ideologies will be blind and unreasoned. Why don't you take a dip in Ganga river or better the Mandovi river and these two rivers might tell you some tales of the INVASION OF GOA by the Indians and the systematic destruction of Goa carried on by them from 1961.
ReplyDeleteYogesh... we the Goans, irrespective of our religion and caste, need to join hands to end the jungle raj in Goa. From your surname, I presume that you are an origial Goan and a 'Bhat'.. a Brahmin belonging to the priestly class. We need your support to save Goa from corruption and from the ghanttis.
ReplyDeleteWell written some facts of Goan by Yogesh..but that does not mean I agree everythings you wrote here. Goans(specially catholics)are getting greedy and greedy and this is the reasons outsiders and unfit politicians has become masters of Goans.Goans with free booze,gandhi notes,free food have sold their dignity to corrupt and criminal politicians.Outsiders did not came like rain drops but greedy bastard Goans sold their land to outsiders to have susegad life and as per my knowledge plenty of NRE's & Goans are now just waiting to sky-rock the price of land even further to sell them to outsiders.A NIZ GOENKAR will never sell their land to outsiders even if he gets offer that will make him billioner..but I know some of commentators here who write big things to safeguard Goa are same people inquiring with outsiders to sell their properties and theyby have a white pig life either in bungalow/flat or wonder like a dog through migration in foreign country.
ReplyDeleteGoodday Mr. Marathe,
ReplyDeleteDuring the Portuguese regime we in Goa had Radio Transmitters which were soon shifted off out of the state by Indians.So if everything was for the glory of Goa then this wouldnt have been the case.So also whatever you have written from your perspective.
I would not like to comment on the history part that you have written. History is something which is portrayed as the writer wishes to portray.
We need to tackle issues and find solutions and this is the need of the hour.And I hope you wish the same..
Just few days back a Talatti from the Quepem Municipal Council was caught red handed. And now rumours are that he is suspended and would be back in office soon reason being some part of the money was going up the ladder. I dont think he should be occupying the seat..He should not be allowed.Proper investigations need to be done and others involved also need to get the same fate..I would definitely make available the matter regards to this as to whether he is getting back in. In the mean time we can do preparations on our part.
I hope you can enlighten the issue someway or the other.
Brgds,
Yogesh,The main and urgent need to save Goa from loosing its identity is to educate those Goans who vote same criminals again and again after having free food,liquor etc during election as well to choose good people to stand for comming Assembly election and thereby to make a humble request to those Goans who absent from voting to vote for our candidate.The situation in Goa is getting from bad to worst, the state is leaning towards criminilisation.
ReplyDelete@ Yogeah, remember, the Britishers never came back to commemorate their rule because they have no face to do that. They never returned their loot and one example is the Kohinoor Diamond which is proudly exhibited at the London Tower. Go to facts and come back before you defend yourself. Do not praise the Challis Chors but see the affairs of the State today.
ReplyDeleteI could be very positive about your attitude : RSS.
Dear Yogesh,
ReplyDeleteYou are right about "The current scene, a normal labour ends up earning 15-20ks every month at this plant and an average goan sweats it out at the neighboring industrial estate at 120-150 rupees daily wages". Metastrips was one reason. Now the fact is, since most of the top management people in industries in goa are non-goans and they will ONLY recruit goan candidate provided no other gauwalas of his is left in the candidature list. You go to any industrial estate, im sure you will start wondering 'M I still in Goa'.
When any industry is to be set up, our political heroes say, goans will get employment. Employment is created but only to non-goans because we do not have system to have control over the employment issues. Any vacancy existing in any indstry is never routed through employment exchange, Why?
@ Yogesh Marathe:: Well written article.
ReplyDeleteI would like to suggest to you guys to stop fighting with each other and specially to James Silva who is the most provocative of the commentators here. This is the exact reason why we Goans fall down and the ghantis take our advantage. James I would suggest that you do your lessons well and behave like a mature man. This way we are not going to get any further
ReplyDelete@james d'silva, you are taking things personally and you are going out of way. Let us hold a clean debate and see what is good for our Goa. Let some one who wants to praise Portuguese do so it is his freedom and his thinking. Why do you get angry at them? It is also very funny to observe that you have your relatives abroad in canada, usa etc and yet you emit poison against those Goans who are working abroad. You are telling others to start the movement for independence. Why don't you start the same movement since you are on ground Goa back at home or is it that you only know to criticize people who talk truth. I find you very awkward. We do need our old freedom and our identity and there is no way the Occupying Indians are going to give it to us.
ReplyDeleteArre Marathe, Goans surely remember the good old portugese days. Why not? life was better at that time. But it does not mean that we want the portugese to come back. History cannot be changed. But we can change Goa for the better. We need to get the special status that was to be given to us at the time of the Indian invasion, only that way would we be able to regain our uniqueness. Marathe if you are a Goan are you not proud to tell people when abroad that you come from Goa? At least that seperates you from the ghattis and lungiwallahs?
ReplyDelete@ Annie Mesquita:: I know you are the spokesperson for N. Fernandes. Annie, I'm not against Goans Abroad, can't understand whats wrong with you people. Can't someone voice a different opinion ? If you want only your or your master N. Fernandes views to count, please start a blog exclusive to you. This is a space for all concerned Goans to express their views and I will not accept anyone supressing me, be it you or your master, period.
ReplyDeleteJust to clarify certain false notions of Yogesh
ReplyDeleteThe NRP Sagres visited Goa as part of its 2010 circumnavigation of the world to mark the arrival of the Portuguese to the Orient and Extreme Orient 500 years ago; and not for “celebrating 500 years of Alfonso Albureque, the ruthless initiator of Portuguese imperialism in Goa” as stated.
Goa’s population was only about 3.5 lacs during Portuguese time, and a majority were not working outside Goa. Today more than 50% of Goans are working outside Goa although the population has shot up with a majority of ghantis in Goa. Have Goans in more number left because Goa is prosperous and developed?
History is written by the conquerors, therefore one sided story and distorted like the CD produced by the BJP. Wikipedia can be edited and as such whatever is written in Wikipedia is not the truth. I can also write exactly opposite.
If Meta-strips pays 15-20 K to its workers, have you seen the pollution created in the low lying areas at the foot of the hill? Have you seen the safety standards of the Company? How many workers have died in Meta-Strips when on duty? Health cannot be compensated with money; except for those to whom money means everything.
And finally, we need to keep in our memory the past, lest we repeat the same mistakes.
I have requested the NG Editor to upload an article in response to this article of yours.
ReplyDeleteHere is an additional comment.
You initial article and central core of it was to condemn writers for severely criticising the Freedom Fighters.
There are 2 schools of thought on this.
One, the real freedom fighters, and, the other the Fake Freedom Fighters.
I think it is the Right and moral duty of every Goan, of all faiths and persuasions to condemn the Fake Freedom Fighters. In anyone’s view and belief, a "fake" is not of a real true value.
I wholeheartedly support every Goan who has condemned the "Fakes" for being given a Platform to spit their ethics and values.
As for the True Freedom Fighters of Goa, I would have appreciated their determination for self-rule. However in the case of the True Goan Freedom Fighters, their cause was for the replacement of Portuguese rule with Indian Rule.
This is where there is a fault.
Indians have never ruled anything prior to Independence from Britain in 1947.Independence from Britain was only granted following the 2nd World War and the wish of many colonised nations to be masters of their own destiny.
Freedom movements begun, soon after many, Asian, African and Indian leaders received education in the UK and Portugal. The USA all so actively promoted Independence movements as it had itself been freed from Britain. Additionally Indians did not want to fight in foreign wars for the allies in Europe and so used this as a bargaining chip to get Independence. The Indian Independence movement was fraught with danger, as can be seen with the creation of Pakistan (EAST & WEST).During Indian Independence too there was a lot of killings, death and carnage...far more severe than that committed by the Portuguese. This carnage and killings were Hindus vs Muslims. India and Pakistan both lost people in millions. All at one time of history classed as Indians. So this was Indians on Indians.
Prior to 1961 (Goa Liberation), there were debates taking place in the United Nations on the Portuguese relinquishing Goa back to the Indians. India never ever owned Goa for 450 years.
The Indians with the help of Freedom Fighters from Goa overwhelmed the Portuguese , who were out numbered and took over Goa. This can only be described in civilised societies as an Invasion. Iraq try to do the same with Kuwait its so called 17th Province)...but with assistance from the rest of the world this invasion was thwarted and Iraq repelled. Goa had no such assistance.
Today Goans complain about this and rightly so, but there are guys like you who instead of condemning the Freedom Fighters, hate others who are questioning if their actions benefitted Goa in any way.
You mentioned about RTI (a sort of jewel in Goa`s Crown).The Goa Governor Dr. Siddhu has asked you & Goans to shove the RTI up their arses.Why?.Isn`t he an Indian?
****(I wilL continue later,as I am restricted to the amount of space allowed on comments).
@James, well written praise of Marathe.
ReplyDeleteBirds of similar feathers flock together. Thank God you are not a migratory bird but taking a view of the World from your own nest. Or else you would have been stoned down in the ocean whilst flying.
To Yogesh Mrathe::::Here is a remark and criticism you have made to a writer about Returned Gold.
ReplyDelete***This is an interesting article I have copied from a Commentator on Goa Net called JC.
This is more factual and more truthful than your whimsical theory about the Gold that was taken to Portugal...your concept and there after insult to a writer here, seems half baked!!
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The above news item, I assume, refers to the gold held in safe-deposits and as collateral - at the Banco Nacional Ultramarino in Goa - then transfered to BNU- Lisbon....later Caixa Geral de Depósitos.
I am struck by Mr. Chidabaram's choice of the words "taken away forcibly to Portuga"
Is this a fair statement, I ask.
Here are a few questions that I pose. Once again, I ask only because I do know the answers:
1. What was the gold doing in Banco Ultramarino, in Goa in the first place.
2. Did the Portuguese come into the homes of Goans and confiscate this gold?
3. Was the gold stored by clients at BNU in safe deposit ?
4. Was the gold used as collateral for LOANS obtained by Goans and Maharashtrians?
5. Have the safe deposit fees - until 1961 - ever been paid ? or have they been deducted?
6. Have the LOANS ever been paid back by the Goans & Maharashtrians who borrowed the monies?
7. Has BNU claimed /collected / deducted any interest on the unpaid Loans?
8. What was BNU expected to do - with the gold - at the time of the 1961 invasion? Leave it?
9. WHO would be held responsible for the gold - had it been looted in the aftermath of 1961?
10. Was there any looting in Panjim on the days Dec 19 - 21, 1961?
11. What would the State Bank of India do in a similar situation - with SAFE DEPOSITS - in one of their branches (say in Fiji or in Port Blair) - if there was a chance that the Bank Officials had to leave town in a hurry?
Maybe we should think about the choice of our words. What u say Mr. P Chidambaram?
But then....you are just a politician.
good wishes
jc
To Yogesh MArathe::::
ReplyDeleteYour quote-"Happiness did prevail but was limited to people belonging to the business houses, the elite Hindu & Christian classes. Who made all efforts to appease their masters and had no role in the freedom movement".
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Is this not also happening today in modern day India /Goa under the Indian & Goa Governments?Where is the difference I ask.
You must be exceptionally crazy to suggest that "happiness" is measured by wealth only.What about well being, security, rule of law, application of Law , equitable distribution of Goa`s wealth, good and affordable health services, corruption.etc.
To Yogest Marathe::::
ReplyDeleteyour quote-"The best thing we goans do in our free time is to get nostalgic about olden days and curse the current government and politicians probably that’s an important task of maintaining the Goan identity, I suppose"
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Here is another stupid remark and observation of yours.
Is there anything wrong in cursing the Current?
Government?
Do you really believe this is how Goans maintain their identity?
What is so wrong about being nostalagic? What is your alternative in the current deteriorating circumstances.
You seem to be taking Goans to be fools, (while you are excluding yourself) and all because they have condemned and insulted your Pathetic Freedom Fighters, who delivered Goans from Colonial rule to very Corrupt Indian rule.
What has been your personal benefit from Indian rule?Going out to foreign lands like your ancestors did ..to Africa, Bombay or Karachi etc.
where they were invited ...not compelled.
@ Yogesh Marathe your a Kid dont teach us History. you were not Born pre-1961.
ReplyDeletehttp://wn.com/goa_freedom
Satyagrahis A.K.A Ghantis crossing Goa Border Illegally. Many of them crossed Goa Border and started robbing Goans in the name of Satyagraha. Portuguese Government did have record of these so-called Satyagrahis.
Goa,Damao,Diu were not part of Indian Union then.
What if Pakistanis enter India illegally today crossing the Border ? Indian Army Shot them or will Arrest them ? Right ?
Everyone has Right to Defend.
Portuguese did Right thing by Shooting them.
After 1961 many Ghantis entered Goa Legally to spoil,loot,destroy our Goa.
To Yogesh Marathe:::
ReplyDeleteYour quote_"Inspite of reversing into the past lets join hands to fight this evils together (this even goes to people who still live in “Buyarant”).
Have you considered writing to the Freedom Fighters you defend so well,who reversed into the past with their protest at a Portuguse Ship.Have they not been told Portugal and India are now friends.Perhaps you could tell them and I am sure many Goans will not have to write about the FF`s.
Goans were defending their friendship with Portugal and their modern dignity and manners in the face of your silly Freedom Fighting clowns.Nobody would complain about the wood the "ship "is made with.The motive the ship carried in this era and time was peace & friendship.
You problem should be with the FF`s...not decent Goans.
The youth of Khariwaddo, a fishing village & sea farers /mariners also ,in my opinion purely bade a farewell.I do not see an issue with that...but you seem to and in the bargain accuse them of being puppets.
This is a Naval custom for your kind information.
Yogesh Marathe, You have said it and the reviled have heard it very distinctly. Truth is always bitter.
ReplyDeleteI have been kicked, abused, rolled, soiled whatever you may call it. I still get back to confront some of these portuguese lackeys still in the bubble of their own. Most of these guys are away and do not seem to make head or tail of anything that's happening in Goa. They fancy listening to the legendary tales of some old kindred tribe and bark out loud, eventually wuthering away their voices in the wilderness.
Yogesh, You, me and many others following the events on this blog are the witness to the idiots of sorts, counter attacking the truth. These are the mesmerised Portuguese washed up rags still in love with the regime whose forefathers were at the mercy of and had to always appease the regime for their survival. Common sense is something that is needed to be put in their rediculously deft heads so they uderstand the true meaning of democracy and that's the bitter truth.
Yogesh... since you brought the topic of colonialism, I think that you will agree with me that there is an ocean of difference between British colonialism and Portuguese colonalism. The British not only looted India but also converted Indians to a slavish mentality. It is called the Babudom mentality and is still prevalent in India, where the subordinates addresses their superiors as sirs and m'ams and obey their orders without questioning. You must have noticed that in Dubai too how Indians call everyone 'saars' and are everyready to wipe the arses of 'ghoras', irrespective of his/her designation and education - some of them are low lives from their countries. Have you ever seen a Goan stooping to that level?
ReplyDeleteMoreover, despite all the atrocities committed by the British on the native Indians, India still holds Britian in high esteem. Why? If you think otherwise, then why is it that India is a member of the British Commonwealth?
Why is it that India proudly takes part in the Queen's baton relay? Why did India host the Commonwealth Games? Is it not because of the British that India was partitioned? Is it not because of the British that the Kashmir issue is still festering? Is it not because of the British that the Hindu-Muslim divide took place?
One more thing, the Portuguese ship was reconstrucing the voyage of Vasco da Gama. It was a historic voyage which opened new vistas of invention and discoveries. It is a milestone in the civilisation of mankind (pls don't get me wrong here, I am not talking abt religion. Even today if one wants to change his/her religion one can do it without any force or coercion). Why was there no opposition in Calicut? Vasco da Gama first stop was at Calicut, not Goa?
What type of an Indian/Goan curry would have been without chilles? Chilles were first introduced to India by the Portuguese, so were papayas, chickos, tapioca and many other types of flora and fauna.
Goans have an unique culture because our culture is an amalagation of the traditions of the Gaud Saraswat Brahmins (who can trace their ancestry to Kashmir/river Saraswati), the Arab traders (who used to supply horses to the Vijaynagar empire from Goa), the Jews, indigenious Dravidian Goans (gaudes and kunbis) and finally the Portuguese.
That is the reason why Goans are different and we will always be different from other Indians in our ways, manners, etiqutte, culture, habits and language. 451 years of uninterrupted Portuguese rule is a long period.Out of the nearly 200 countries in the UN, how many are as old as 451 years? Can 50 years of Indian rule wipe out the socio-economic, cultural, religious and traditional impact of 451 years of Portuguese rule?
Yogesh ,I welcome your response to the various comments made by Niz Goenkars. Howevery I would like to point that whatever you said is not correct.
ReplyDeleteYou mentioned about the new plant (META STRIPS) which came up at Sancoale. You mentioned that people there are earning 15-20K every month. Can you tell me how many Goans are employed there and how many of them are earning that amount? Secondly the agitation there was due to air and water polution which would take place after spliting the rubber coating of the cables; which requires heating and cooling for which water is required.This water was then suppose to be released in the ground. It is only after the agitation which took place which changed the process. The Company now is not using old cables but pure ignots which please note. Regarding court the less said is better. Don't you know that justice can be bought in India. Do you see the TV and read newspapers these days.
Regarding the question of happiness. Happiness is relative in nature. If the old people tells you that they were happy you are nobody to tell that they weren't. We all know that Goans during the Portuguese era were contended irrespective if they were Hindus, Christians or Muslims and that gave rise to being SUSSEGAD. Definately not LAZY as the Indian media potrays.
You also questioned about voting by the web site users. I can assure you there a lot who voted and are voting. As for myself I can assure you I voted in every election when I am in Goa and would continue if the Govt. had made provision for all NRI to vote in their Mission abroad.
The above is just for your information nothing to fight. LET OUR MISSION BE GOOD FOR GOA & GOANS ONLY.
MOG ASSUNDI
Prodigal son of the blog JOHNADS is back again with his nonsense. As I mentioned earlier, Johnads is another bird of similar feather who don't want to be with the truth but be happily settled on the other side of the storm. I will advise Johnads to take a dose of the medicine provided by N. Fernandes and your dizzy head will roll back into normal operation.
ReplyDeleteI would like make a point here:...I believe that all this talk about the 'evil' Portuguese that built up Goa is really an attack on the Christian Goans. I apologize to my real Goan Hindu Goan brothers and sisters. There is an element of this that being propagated for a few fringe groups, ie fake freedom fighters. This is all to bring about religious disharmony in Goa, to make the Goan Christians feel that they are not part of India. Maybe Mr. Marathe and Ass-John don't see it that way. I love my Hindu Goan brothers and never saw a difference but now I am beginning to see that some of these ‘fake freedom fighters’ and the other groups are really in a way want to attack us Goan Christians. I know some may find this shocking that I have said this, this point must be acknowledged. The Portuguese left 50 years ago and they are being attacked again and again. Why is Goa so beautiful architecturally, that we continue to invest in preserving the old buildings? Was it not the Portuguese that built it up? Yes, they were Portuguese rulers that were cruel, but the Portuguese people suffered far greater in Portugal than in Goa. It has nothing to do with race. And yes, the inquisition was terrible, but it was terrible all over Europe. Lastly, most Goan Christians do have Portuguese names, something we cannot change now. All this talk make us feel like we are lesser because we have this Portuguese connection. Can we change any of that? No! I believe all Goans are better as we absorbed the best of both cultures. And please don't tell me that Mahatma Gandhi was wrong to address the wrongs in Indian culture. Even today Indian women that are widowed in remote villages are treated with disdain. There is good and bad in every culture. I appreciate your views but others have theirs too, so please don't assume yours are correct. Lastly, please compare Google maps of Goa from just 2000 to 2010 to see the destruction of Goa. Yes 'destruction'! The damage that has been done, the Portuguese couldn't even do in 450 years! !!!!Ask any foreign tourist and they don't wish to come back after see so much destruction to such a beautiful paradise. Had it not been for the Portuguese Goa would be a filthy metropolis like Mumbai. I think that the 'very educated showoff' Mr. John'ASS' would have been right at home!
ReplyDeleteWho is this stupid idiot called James D'Silva??? He really makes me sick.
ReplyDeleteYogesh Marathe
ReplyDeleteI Think you are Brainswashed by Articles Written on Wikipedia.
Do you think we are Fools ?
Wikipedia is a Free Encyclopedia. Any Self Proclaimed Historian can Edit or write anything.
Eliminate Konkani ???
Who told u ?
Goans still speak Konkani
The First Konkani school was started by Portuguese.
Mangalore,Karwar,Barcelor, Onor that is entire north and south canara were under Portuguese Rule for 200 years. Goans never fled there because for Portuguese persecution but because of Maratha attacks in Goa. Goans arrived in Mangalore on Portuguese ships to work there.It was common for Goans to settle in other Portuguese colonies in India. Vast majority of people in Mangalore are not Konkani People they are Tulu people who learned Konkani from Goan Immigrants thats why they speak Konkani in a South Indian accent and use Kannada Script. Today every Tom, Dick and Harry in those areas say that thier ancestors fled Goa because of Portuguese Inquistion because they read some Books written by some Malicious Historians after 1961 but those fools have no Knowledge about Portuguese History. Konkani was spoken there even Pre-Portuguese Times
I have caught many people Distorting History of Goa.
You are talking about Indian version of History of Goa written after 1961.
Check this old Portuguese Maps
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cultura_portuguesa_da_india/5279269063
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cultura_portuguesa_da_india/5279258517
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cultura_portuguesa_da_india/5279864172
http://www.flickr.com/photos/cultura_portuguesa_da_india/5277364783
http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675038382_Indian-soldiers_liberation-of-Goa_end-of-Portuguese-rule_wrecked-houses
ReplyDeleteThis Video has been put on Facebook Groups and Yahoo Groups. Most Goans have complained about Destruction of Goan Houses. Yogesh Marathe is not only Blind but an Idiot who says those are not Goan houses but Police Station this proves me Yogesh is an RSS Chamcha as said by Atul. Even after showing him Video as a Proof he is denying everything. The Video shows Everything.
To James d`silva,
ReplyDeleteI will be extremely happy and very pleased if Annie Mesquita was my spokesperson.
Also the others here that you chose to insult.
Annie has more intelligence and commonsense and a womens intuition in her "TOENAIL", than you have in your pathetic brain.
It is time you grow up & stop wearing "big boys knickers".
You just dont seem to get the message about your constant stupidity.
Is this the upbringing you have had?
God forgive us, I pray and deliver us, from your scum.
@ Shankar
ReplyDeleteThese so called Satyagrahis were Citizens of Indian Union and Not Goans. Portuguese were Defending thier Territories from them who illegally were Crossing the Goan Border. Many of these so Called Satygrahis were Chors looting Innocent Goans at Daylight.
Not only during the time of socalled liberation but before the socalled liberation too.I can supply witnesses to the fact that one person from salvador do mundo was shot by these Satyagrahis , he refused to give them money or tell them about his bank details.
@ N.Fernandes:: This is what we are famous for, fighting with each other like fightercocks while the ghantis and politicians loot us day & night. Keep it up Fernandes, Dalia, Monis & the gang. Goodluck Goa!
ReplyDeleteTo James D`silva,...And Johnads
ReplyDeleteThanks kindly for you advice to us all.
I do not have a "personal problem" with you at all.Or with Johnads.
The problem has been with you and Johnads, who when confronted with the truth, chose to be abusive.
You both have demonstrated on several occassions, that you do not like Goans living abroad commenting here.Your preference is that, only Goans in Goa can comment and those that live abroad do not know the "Ground Reality".
I have on many occassions kindly explained to you and Johnads why Goans live abroad.
But for some, you both seem unable to grasp this reason and you still "Harp" on it on every occassion.
Many other commentators here too, have remarked on your comments.But again you choose to offend them.It seem like offending is a hobby for you guys.
It is shocking to know, that you and Johnads derive so much pleasure from "Sadism".
I have made it clear to both you and Johnads, that I do not require your permission , from where ever I may be in the world.
You should instead take comfort , that I care deeply for Goa and Share my views and concerns with Goans.I have relatives and friends who live in Goa.This has been relayed to you time and again.Yet you choose to be obnoxious and envious.
I hope you both will get in to gear soon.
James d'silva,
ReplyDeleteI am glad you read my views.It has hurt you somewhere,I am glad it has because truth always hurts.
You are trying to lock horns with others.Your life script is conflict script.You love negative
attention, thats probably nobody showered love on you.You are attacking others with your crooked views and words> I take no pride in locking horns with you.The day is not far when people will not waste their time responding to you.
This blog is on a mission, a noble mission,and you are trying to draw all the attention to yourself by your negative,critical mentality,
I am sure you were critised by your nearest ones, so much so you see every one in a negative manner, you may need a psychologist sooner or later, because adult does not come out of your words.
|This blog is dedicated to raj mahal that is Goa, call it a another TajMahal, but you seem to make you the ojective, play the ball dont attack the players playing from different angles, the objective is GOA, SOBIT GOA, and not you, for you are happy to live in the cow dung of Goa with your kind of behaviour.
You stand up to challenge people whose views you dislike, at the same time you want others to follow your lies...a critical parent,
it shows that you will do anything to get negative attentionand that all you are doing.
people
" Goa was always a Colony to them and would have remained the same if not liberated. " as said by Yogesh Marathi RSS CHAMCHA
ReplyDeleteNext year is 2011. Are you still living in pre 1961 ?
Portugal do not have any Colony today.
Goa is a Creation of Portuguese and 1947 Union of India Invaded it in 1961 thats the Truth.
Portugal never gave Goa to the Indian Union it was Mario Soares who gave it to Indian Union as if Goa was his Fathers Property.
Your History and Propaganda are RSS Type.
I Suggest all Niz Goenkars to stop Replying this Idiot. He is just RSS - BJP CHAMCHA.
@James, your pony tail signifies that you are a modern gentlemen who lacks knowledge of the past. N. Fernandes and the gang may not know who you are and let me vouch for you, you are just another misguided prodigal boy of NG blog as I know you well by now.
ReplyDeleteWelcome mate with your whole hearted change. Do not go away, never hide from the past.
To james d'silva'
ReplyDeleteplease make a negative comment.
Nothing positive can come from you.
Try to get attention by being negative , letthat reinforces your negative ego,
start name calling that satisfies your child state
and vascilate between negative critical parent, and negavtive child,
Stimulus:any one disagress with your vies
Response: critical views,name calling(parent state, child state) Be negative, ha, ha ,ha
I await your negative reply.....see what comes out of you venom, you sounding gong.
monxak whuim uttor
Gorvac whuim Dayem
please reply in negative.
To james
ReplyDeleteGoa is a precious jewel
by being a goan you are holding it in your hand dont be like the monkey.
throw a stone at him, (a critical comment at you)and
you throw in return the jewel that is Goa.
I enjoy when you react in a negative way,.
for you cannot behave in apositive manner, prove your adult ego state if you can?
Words of P.T,CHARDIN
I am I
YOU are you
I am not in this world to live up to your expectations,.......
If we happen to meet its good, if not it cant be helped
Goa is a pride.if you cant see act ignorant
please be negative, you like to criticise and
say I am better than you.
please reply in negative manner, pour all you venom out,you are attacking a person and not Goa
your views are your views,they say nothing about me, they are aprojection of you, they say
much about you and your critical parent and your child stage, betray yourself, go ahead pour the couldron of venom that is you, an open invitatation
free gestalt therapy. thanks for cooperating.
finally to james
ReplyDeletethe monkey was pelted by a stone
the monkey inrespose threw the jewel away
GOA is a jewel,you seem to throw it away
when somebody hurls a negative comment at you.
your response has always been negative,offensive
even if you give your body for burning, since you have showed no love to your your fellow men
it going to be futile....Please reply in negative, for that, only that can satisfy your ego.
for you your ego is greater than GOA, the niz goenkars that are trying to make goa a better like it existed in the past.
Please leave a negative feed back, I assure you with all my pride I WILL NOT EVEN READ IT.
@ TARIAMAMA:: GMC has very good doctors who treat misfits like you. You need a checkup son else you'll be eating stones soon.
ReplyDeleteTo James D`silva:::
ReplyDeleteIt is a general consensus here by all Niz-Goenkars, that it is you who he needs treatment....at the GOA MONKEYS` COLLEGE"
Are you actually able to read and understand what has been written about you.We all doubt that.
You have a great propensity to talk rubbish and your only talent is to insult everyone.
This article of Yogesh Marathe proves how easily we Goans can be sway by this type of people. His article is nothing but a fabricated sugar coated candy. Our elders, some of whom are still living today tell us that they were better off during the Portuguese rule. What more evidence do we require? We don’t need this Marathe to tell us about the past. He is talking about harsh rule of the Portuguese, I advice him to read the history of South Amercia under the Spainish. All I can say about this Marathe is that, he is a snake in the grass and should be avoided. If we want Goa to be saved right now we need a strong leader. A true Goan, Niz Goenkar, a man with a common sense and with a vision of protecting Goa for the future generation, who loves his motherland and his people.
ReplyDeleteYogesh Marathe is RSS fellow, who thinks what he has written is correct but the idiotic monkey does not know that his ideology is totally bogus and rubbish. This Yogesh is a Maharashtrian and not a Goa.
ReplyDelete@ Albino thanks for providing the link to that artile by Yogesh Marathe on Spielberg whom he calls a racist. When somebody like Spielber speaks truth he is considered racist by this RSS and Communalist Yogesh parathe oops marathe. He has been given a good bashing by his compatriots the sensible of Indians themselves. Now this Paratho is trying to gain entry here on Niz Goenkar. Mr. Editor, my request to you is not to accept articles of this YOGESH PARATHE as he is communal person trying to cause disturbance between the religions in Goa. Kick the b..st..rd out of this Niz Goenkar. I know that he is a communalist. He is not a real and normal and peace loving hindu like us. May somebody push him into some sea or fire in Dubai at least it will be a good riddance of one rubbish
Yogesh Marathe is RSS fellow, who thinks what he has written is correct but the idiotic monkey does not know that his ideology is totally bogus and rubbish. This Yogesh is a Maharashtrian and not a Goa.
ReplyDelete@ Albino thanks for providing the link to that artile by Yogesh Marathe on Spielberg whom he calls a racist. When somebody like Spielber speaks truth he is considered racist by this RSS and Communalist Yogesh parathe oops marathe. He has been given a good bashing by his compatriots the sensible of Indians themselves. Now this Paratho is trying to gain entry here on Niz Goenkar. Mr. Editor, my request to you is not to accept articles of this YOGESH PARATHE as he is communal person trying to cause disturbance between the religions in Goa. Kick the b..st..rd out of this Niz Goenkar. I know that he is a communalist. He is not a real and normal and peace loving hindu like us. May somebody push him into some sea or fire in Dubai at least it will be a good riddance of one rubbish
how have you forgotten Judas Iscariot, from goa monkey college for the prize.....
ReplyDeletedotor bolsant fattor,
either the doctor has gobbled the stone at monkeys medical stone or judas has gobbled the stone in the last year, most likely there has 30 gold dirhams in a field for Maha-Rat you-GHU-esh,in
dubai in the desert to go in search of, as a prize, for his fake patiotism.